The more one reads about the death of Gaza and the Palestinians, the more soul crushing it is.
I wonder on that final day will anyone notice or care. Certainly in the US, the focus will be elsewhere - whether another Trump distraction, a celebrity scandal, the NFL weekend, or Christmas shopping (given the pace).
There will be no 'Remember 9/11' day like yesterday, with a call to remember the 3,000 dead; the 950,000 direct deaths and approximately 4.5 million indirect deaths that resulted from the GWOT weren't mentioned as they don't support the narrative.
Collectively, we long ago lost the right to call ourselves a civilized society - the final day of the Palestinians will just add to that tally. As individuals - we must remember it all.
Tom, I think a lot about how similar 9/11 and Oct 7 have been in the wild and indiscriminate use of military force that followed the two dates, in both cases resulting in the killing of a multitude that far eclipses the losses suffered by the US and Israel.
After 9/11 - kill kill kill in pursuit of one man, Bin Laden
After oct 7 - kill kill kill in pursuit of a chimera, Hamas
Let's hope something happens to turn the Gaza siege around before we get to Auschwitz levels of starvation. But I am not at all hopeful with Trump and his coconspirators in office. Maybe more pressure like that coming from little Yemen will push Israel to the breaking point, for example if Israel provokes Iran again. In the future, I expect that some teachers will discuss Nazis Germany and Zionist Israel in the same lesson on genocide. It is too late for Israel to recover from its crimes against humanity.
Hello John R.... Research the Shapira Report that Ben-Grunion commissioned, and then Classified after the 1948 Establishment of Modern Israel... The 1948 establishment of Israel was not an Antiseptic Event... Israeli Hasbra is World-Class...
Apache, can you provide a specific link/reference to that 1948 report, I've done a quick online search and got a lot of hits, but not that specific one. What I have been able to find out is that the UNSCOP (UN Special Committee on Palestine) that developed the 1947 Partition Plan was comprised of eleven nations that had practically no knowledge of the Middle East, that was heavily lobbied by Zionist interests to arrive at a decision favorable to the formation of Israel. Other shenanigans also occurred.
Thanks, Apache, will give it a click. Can't help but reply to your last sentence, it's spot-on. As a matter of fact the Brits still have their (middle) finger in on the mess, if you're not familiar Dimitri Lascaris Reason2Resist.Substact.com has done a number of pieces on the Brits flying reconnaissance, surveillance, and supply flights out of their airbase at Akrotiri on Cyprus. The European imperialist sense of entitlement won't die.
Starvation as a weapon has been used before. The slaughter of the buffaloes caused death from starvation among Americas native people. The allies used it against Germany in WW I and maintained it even after the armistice of Nov. 11, 1918. Churchill starved to death between 3 and 6 million Indians in the middle of WW II. The Nazis used it in the occupied Soviet Union and in the concentration camps. Israel has learned well from its western supporters and mentors.
As we see the Palestinians force-marched, dying in the process, to places that do not provide refuge I think of the "Trail of Tears", of the Cherokee Indians force-marched to the desolate land that we now call Oklahoma.
From Wikipedia: "By 1837, 46,000 Indians from the southeastern states had been removed from their homelands, thereby opening 100,000 km2 for white settlement."
FYI - Gaza is 45 km2 and there (were) over 2 million Palestinians living there.
So humankind, despite all its acquisition of knowledge about nature and the world, despite its "mastery" of nature to suit its ends, still fundamentally exists at the level of bacteria and other microorganisms fighting it out for nutrients on a giant Petri dish.
Gotta love the title of that bestseller by Israeli/Zionist pop celeb Noa Tishby, "Israel: A Simple Guide to the Most Misunderstood Country in the World," which I have disabused of its pretense by re-titling it to "Israel: A Simple(ton's) Guide to the Most Misunderstood Country in the Solar System."
Yeah, they're something apart, but not in the sense of anything to be proud of, to boast about.
Hello X K ... What they don't talk about is the Israelis that leave... When you meet them, you learn that you have to keep an Eye on them... They are not a Nice People... People are Products of their System that they have lived in...
You'll have to tell me more about this, but about to step out for the evening. I wonder if there's some way we can exchange aside from this forum, I'm not on any social media.
Death of the soul, the collective conscience of a society, begins slow, then accelerates to total atrophy. The Israeli people are in the advance stages.
a) I don't consider them "people," no way. I use "existents," look it up, it's a real word.
b) There's no reclamation, no forgiveness, no salvation from what they have identified themselves as. A fraction of justice being served would be for all but 2% of current Israelis (the proportion in Palestine before the Ashkenazi Zionist arrival in the early 20th century), the reversion of all property and assets to the Palestinians, and a memorial to all dead, displaced, maimed Palestinians in a former Tel Aviv akin to the memorial in Berlin to those Jews murdered by the Nazis. As I said, that would only be a fraction of what is due justice for the outrages of the Zionists.
I visited Israel with my Jewish ex-wife and her family in 1995. I sensed a strong nationalism, purposefulness, industry. This was the public outer veneer for their raging racism, elitism, sense of superiority and ultimate entitlement. Like much of the world, back then I was ignorant of their abuse and oppression of the Palestinians. Now that's all coming to the fore and the world can see the ugly, ghastly, genocidal character of the Zionist core of their society. From what I can tell, over 80% of the population is infected with this moral cancer. We can only host it kills the host.
"I visited Israel with my Jewish ex-wife and her family in 1995. I sensed a strong nationalism, purposefulness, industry."
John, I'm reminded of that W.C. Fields joke about Philadelphia, here adapted: "I entered a contest. First place prize a week in Israel. Second place, two weeks in Israel."
It's been my observation in various venues and media, plus personal interaction, that certainly the Israelis/Zionists, plus many Jews even here in America (I draw a distinction between the two, sometimes hard to maintain), are amazingly ignorant about their own real history. Their fabulistic history is another matter, taken in hook, line, and sinker.
"From what I can tell, over 80% of the population is infected with this moral cancer."
Your surmise is confirmed by a respected Penn State Univ. poll conducted last March and published by Haaretz in May which found "Support for genocide, mass murder, and ethnic cleansing is widespread in Israel." "82% of Israelis Want To Expel Palestinians From Gaza; 47% Want To Kill Every Man, Woman, Child."
I first saw the Abby Martin video around the time when it first came out, and she had a presence on one of the cable channels before being hounded off it. I was dumbstruck watching it. How can such attitudes exist in a seemingly educated, liberal society? Suffice it to say it made such an impression that I remember and refer to it to this day. And it's evidently much worse now too.
I have a personal friend -- well now a former friend -- who I met here in Japan. He is Jewish and migrated to Israel. Within six months he was spouting the typical racist garbage. Now he's a full-blown Zionist. A very intelligent guy but unable to withstand the overwhelming pressures of Israeli group think.
"Sometimes, mass starvation and pandemics were unintentional byproducts of chaos and societal disruption caused by war, and sometimes starvation and disease were intentional weapons and products of war."
Coupla points... 1) I wouldn't say so much "unintentional byproducts" as "inevitable byproducts of chaos and societal disruption."
2) If I'm recalling correctly, this country's military has engaged in deliberate acts to produce chaos, societal disruption, and dire hardship on civilian populations as far back as the Korean War when, lacking sufficient industrial targets to hit after pummeling what there was, the USAF and particularly the USN went after dams, dikes, and irrigation systems vital to North Korean agriculture, hence prelude to starvation, a war crime. North Korea hasn't forgotten this.
Similarly, in both invasions of Iraq, and particularly with Dumbya's excellent adventure therein, the power, water distribution, sanitation, and other infrastructure systems vital to civilian life were targeted. again by the USAF and USN. ("Top Gun" came out in 1986, before these fireworks displays, but it kinda set the precedent for them.)
There is a third point that needs to be made with regard to the starvation tactic employed by the Israelis/Zionists. This actually began with the UN Partition Plan of 1947, which grossly unjustly allocated 56% of the land - and the better land at that - to the smaller one-third Jewish population, the remaining 44% to the larger two-thirds Arab. Needless to say the Arabs wouldn't assent to such an outrage, yet they were, have been blamed ever since for refusing to agree to a "reasonable" peace.
So the starvation essentially began with the Nakba, and the subsequent pushing of the Palestinians off their land and the theft of it, which included agricultural land. Hence less capacity to be self-sufficient in food. And it continued in 1967, and thereafter, and thereafter, and thereafter, not only with the illegal settlements, but where the Palestinians still retained grazing and farmland, the deliberate practice of letting sewage and effluence from the settlements flow onto Palestinian land.
Then there were the retributions for the free, fair, and democratic elections of Hamas, over which Israel and the United States went apeshit, who rewarded the Gazans with blockades and strict control over imports and exports, as well as the institution of "subsistence plus" diets, i.e. just above starvation level. All this wantonly imposed on a once self-sufficient people by an arrogant, hostile, illegal force.
And as has been seen, the deliberate targeting of international humanitarian aid workers, the luring of Palestinians to food distribution sites-cum-shooting galleries, the banning of UNWRA from Palestine by Israel, the displacement of UN and other interational agency food programs by the sham Gaza Humanitarian Foundation all point to the long-term deliberate effort to empty Palestine and Gaza of the rightful owners of the land, either by forced expulsion, or dropping dead. The Israelis, and this country, don't care one way or the other.
For we Americans, the situation should be doubly alarming in that 1) we have a war criminal and Zionist as president, the second such, and 2) there is no way for us to get rid of this man for more than three years. The best we can hope for politically is to take Congress away from him but even that, though very likely, cannot happen for over a year. We are being tortured by our own government, bound by our obedience to election laws to endure an outlaw in the White House.
I demonstrate to relieve this feeling of utter helplessness to help human beings who are being exterminated in my name. That Trump could end the atrocity immediately as Biden could have before him only adds a bitterness to this agony that too many Americans seem able to ignore.
Israelis face the same mechanic in that they cannot get rid of Netanyahu no matter how much they fill the streets with demonstrations. Though it is a discredit to Americans that so many of us are indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians, but the Israelis sink to a lower level by approving what is being done to the Palestinians, the resistance to Netanyahu being entirely internal to the country.
Two monsters range widely wielding force with impunity, thinking nothing of any law, national or international while throwing up a barrage of lies. Couldn't this have been said of Hitler and Imperial Japan?
The Israeli opposition to Netanyahu is a sham. They're protesting his callousness in not prioritizing the release of the hostages, not the horrors of the genocide they're perpetrating on the Palestinians. There was a well-regarded poll conducted by researchers at Penn State last March, published by Haaretz in May, that "found that 82% of full citizens of Israel want to expel Palestinians from Gaza. 47% want to kill every single man, woman, and child in Gaza."
Norman Finkelstein has called them a "death cult," a "lunatic state." I call them beyond fornicated up.
Though no one can accurately predict when the starvation on Gaza Strip will peak, one thing we may be absolutely certain of is the unwavering continued support of the United (??) States for the Zionist regime. Netanyahu and cronies are well aware no nation is going to take in the surviving Palestinian refugees from Gaza. Thus, the notion of relocation is a very sick joke. Thus the real policy is TOTAL ANNIHILATION, and this is a crime against humanity of the most egregious nature. This is one of the great tragedies of these times and "The whole world is watching," as anti-war demonstrators chanted in the streets of Chicago when Mayor Daley's "boys in blue" launched their assaults on them. And Jewish readers please take note: Trump instantly elevated Charlie Kirk to "secular sainthood." And WHO WAS THIS CHARLIE KIRK? A vile, racist Jew-hating American Nazi agitator, that's who!!! As I've noted here previously, employing the nearly lost art of IRONY: Yeah, Trump sure loves Jews, huh?!?
In other words, just another manifestation of Israeli/Zionist contempt for lives other than their own. Use 'em, schmooze 'em, then when finished with 'em, dispose of 'em, that's all they're good for. They did it with the British from their arrivals from Europe to Palestine in the early 20th century, up to finding the Brits an impediment to their ambitions, culminating in the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946, killing 91, injuring 147.
So theoretically the same could happen to us, but they know that without us they're only around for a few months, so they'll continue to invest in the stroking of this country.
I'd forgotten about that terrorist bombing of the hotel. I wonder if Menachem Begin had a hand in that? Years ago, before PhotoShop and other means for easy fakery arose, I saw a reproduction of a Wanted poster issued for Begin by the (British) Palestine Mandate authorities. "WANTED FOR TERRORIST ACTIVITIES" Yes, a future Prime Minister of Israel.
Yes, very much involved in that, if not the mastermind, even boasted about it some years later. I think Ben-Gurion in on it too, in any event terrorism was very much a part of the tactics of the founders of Israel.
And now they don't hesitate to smear Hamas with that label, when they only resorted to it after repeated frustrations and underhandedness and humiliations by the Israelis. Their principal role has been as a nationalist movement, a political movement, a social service organization. Democratically elected in 2005 in acknowledged free and fair elections, and Israel has the audacity to insist on their removal. How 'bout telling Netanyahu to take a long walk off a short pier into the Israeli-polluted waters off Gaza?
You jarred me to recall the very short-lived pier brilliant US military engineers built that was supposedly going to pave way for delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza!! Of course, as long as existence of Israel serves US financial interests, Netanyahu will never be invited to walk off any pier. (Would be nice to see some of his own citizens bring that about, though.) Right now the largest flotilla of private boats yet assembled to try to deliver aid to Gaza is going to sea, in stages from different ports. Making a MORAL statement. Because there can be no doubt Israeli military will assault, arrest, sink, destroy, whatever is needed to ensure the aid never makes it to its destination.
"... the very short-lived pier brilliant US military engineers built that was supposedly going to pave way for delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza!!"
Yeah, wasn't that a gem of an idea, rather than kick the fornicating Israelis in the ass or balls to open up the land corridors to the trucks loaded with food and supplies, spend U.S. taxpayer money on a ridiculous project that lasted two weeks. Testament to Joe Biden's "I am a Zionist" statement, idiot, rectal orifice.
"Right now the largest flotilla of private boats yet assembled to try to deliver aid to Gaza is going to sea, in stages from different ports. Making a MORAL statement."
THE MORAL STATEMENT to be made would be to have the U.S. Sixth Fleet, with its two aircraft carriers, 175 aircraft, numbers auxiliary vessels, escort that flotilla to Gaza. In other words, have them do some good, rather than bomb Yemenis for the having the courage to do the right thing by launching missiles against shipping bound for Israel.
Nice but naive thought. The UN has dealt with the UN for decades, courtesy of US votes negating any substantive action against the genocidal entity. Open our homes? Just what Israel wants, any way to get rid of the Palestinians.
Where does this leave us? With dead Palestinians, again just what Israel wants. After all, they celebrate the deliberate shooting of children in the head, chest, and genitals.
Until we tame the xionist jews this current situation will end badly for Palestine and much of its surrounding arab neighbors. Their house is burning so rescue them so they can return later. I hear talk about the UN leaving NYC and potentially moving to Shanghai. The USA is blocking members from entering usa airspace so why not move to Shanghi.
We need the UN to buffer individual city states from taking over the world ambitions.
Naive I may be but history proves change happens .
I should have better stated that yes, the UN is the place - or ordinarily under reasonable, sane conditions - to deal with Israel, if:
1) The UN were reorganized either to remove the Security Council entirely or have it be staffed on a rotating basis, in any event to remove the U.S. reckless use of the veto.
2) The UN were given authority to intervene militarily under conditions that meet certain criteria, deliberate starvation being one. For godssake, we have the Sixth Fleet, based in Naples, with 40 ships - including two aircraft carriers, escort vessels, submarines, and personnel transports - 175 aircraft, 21,000 personnel, to protect the humanitarian efforts in Gaza and to tell Israel to fornicate off, and instead they're enjoying cappuccinos while on shore leave.
So yes, your view is right, it's just the the U.S. is blocking its realization.
The 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse are galloping throughout this World in OUR Generations, aided and abetted by the 5th Estate, the 5th Horseman of the Apocalypse, as Propagandist for the Status Quo Powers of this World, especially in the US!
Hello All... It was European Diseases ( BioWar ), and "Jack Daniels" ( Chemical Warfare ) that killed the most Indigenous, along with the intentional Near-Extinction of the American Bison ( Starvation ), during the 19th Century...
Thank you, Apache, for filling out the means by which they carried out their "civilizing" rationales. Also, didn't they establish "Indian" schools and orphanages, by which they further sought to erase Native Americans' cultures?
Knowing about it, knowing about our depravity in greater detail daily still doesn't have us doing much about it behind our screens we are sickly fiends.
Yes--but putting a stop to this would require a massive march on DC, an act that would likely end in violence (mass arrests, the shooting of protesters who refused to obey police orders).
The organization, the will, the willingness to sacrifice and possibly to die, just isn't there. Not yet, anyway.
I agree with you Bill our times are sad. We are too busy, too distracted, too divided too intimidated, too overwhelmed to follow the steps that Ralph Nader lays out. Even if everyone of us just phoned our senators and congressional representatives that would be felt. That would be something, something Nader said is not being done enough and would resonate.
All large movements start small-tiny-with ACTIVE ACTUAL STEPS OUT OF OUR COMFORT ZONES. Ralph knows as he took these tiny steps when he was tiny and unknown.. Don't assume you know all the steps that could be taken. Bill's readers are aware of the ongoing genocide. The difference between Bill and Ralph is that he is always pointing to things he has actually done, is still doing, still doable besides writing about it. Being aware and describing it does not absolve you of your complicity in it as tax payers supporting it.
Describing it in greater detail is wasted time you could be spending on efforts to stop it. "But there's nothing I can do but raise attention to it" when society-especially your readership is already aware of it is in the end just escapism. Not to mention the crippling effect of overwhelming them to helplessness. Mark Taylor at least draws attention to Ralph's weekly radio hour where he focuses on what can be done. "Check out this piece by Ralph that just went up on Common Dreams: "Ten Groups Who Can and Must Do More to Fight Trumpism --- All these groups have diminished themselves and their real potential to generate strong direct democratic pressures and arouse the citizenry." https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/do-more-to-fight-trump The guy is 91 and sharper and more caring of Americans than anyone in Congress and has done more to help the people of this country since FDR. " wrote Mark Taylor. Bill could listen to/look at Ralph's pointers for activism and spread them. That would be doing something!
I hope that applies to the "Contact Us" sections on senators' and representatives' websites, which I have used extensively, thus far only getting automated or perfunctory responses, if that. Maybe they don't appreciate my employing thinly disguised four-letter words in making my positions clear?
Bill's readers are aware of the ongoing genocide. The difference between Bill and Ralph is that he is always pointing to things he has actually done, is still doing, still doable besides writing about it. Being aware and describing it does not absolve you of your complicity in it as tax payers supporting it.
Describing it in greater detail is wasted time you could be spending on efforts to stop it. "But there's nothing I can do but raise attention to it" when society-especially your readership-is in the end is escapism. Mark Tayor at least draws attention to Ralph's weekly radio hour where he focuses on what can be done. "Check out this piece by Ralph that just went up on Common Dreams: "Ten Groups Who Can and Must Do More to Fight Trumpism --- All these groups have diminished themselves and their real potential to generate strong direct democratic pressures and arouse the citizenry." https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/do-more-to-fight-trump The guy is 91 and sharper and more caring of Americans than anyone in Congress and has done more to help the people of this country since FDR. " wrote Mark Taylor. Bill could listen to/look at Ralph's pointers for activism-that make hope a verb.
Hear ya, and agree. Words do count, they can help change the narrative, which counts for something, but that's not enough. I've been inspired by Clif Brown in Evanston IL, I've got something in the works, too early for details at the moment.
"But there's nothing I can do but raise attention to it" when society-especially your readership is already aware of it is in the end just escapism Not to mention the crippling effect of overwheming them to helplessness.
"But there's nothing I can do but raise attention to it" when society-especially your readership is already aware of it is in the end just escapism Not to mention the crippling effect of overwheming them to helplessness.
The more one reads about the death of Gaza and the Palestinians, the more soul crushing it is.
I wonder on that final day will anyone notice or care. Certainly in the US, the focus will be elsewhere - whether another Trump distraction, a celebrity scandal, the NFL weekend, or Christmas shopping (given the pace).
There will be no 'Remember 9/11' day like yesterday, with a call to remember the 3,000 dead; the 950,000 direct deaths and approximately 4.5 million indirect deaths that resulted from the GWOT weren't mentioned as they don't support the narrative.
Collectively, we long ago lost the right to call ourselves a civilized society - the final day of the Palestinians will just add to that tally. As individuals - we must remember it all.
Tom, I think a lot about how similar 9/11 and Oct 7 have been in the wild and indiscriminate use of military force that followed the two dates, in both cases resulting in the killing of a multitude that far eclipses the losses suffered by the US and Israel.
After 9/11 - kill kill kill in pursuit of one man, Bin Laden
After oct 7 - kill kill kill in pursuit of a chimera, Hamas
Clif, that's a good point. Some events, contrived or not, serve their purpose to enable mass killing.
Let's hope something happens to turn the Gaza siege around before we get to Auschwitz levels of starvation. But I am not at all hopeful with Trump and his coconspirators in office. Maybe more pressure like that coming from little Yemen will push Israel to the breaking point, for example if Israel provokes Iran again. In the future, I expect that some teachers will discuss Nazis Germany and Zionist Israel in the same lesson on genocide. It is too late for Israel to recover from its crimes against humanity.
Hello John R.... Research the Shapira Report that Ben-Grunion commissioned, and then Classified after the 1948 Establishment of Modern Israel... The 1948 establishment of Israel was not an Antiseptic Event... Israeli Hasbra is World-Class...
Apache, can you provide a specific link/reference to that 1948 report, I've done a quick online search and got a lot of hits, but not that specific one. What I have been able to find out is that the UNSCOP (UN Special Committee on Palestine) that developed the 1947 Partition Plan was comprised of eleven nations that had practically no knowledge of the Middle East, that was heavily lobbied by Zionist interests to arrive at a decision favorable to the formation of Israel. Other shenanigans also occurred.
Hello X K ... My Reference to the Shapira Report appeared in Hareetz a few days ago, here is what I have...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/if-1948-was-a-war-of-independence-the-current-war-could-be-the-one-that-ends-israel
You can blame the Imperialistic British, and French for alot of the Middle-East disfunctions...
Thanks, Apache, will give it a click. Can't help but reply to your last sentence, it's spot-on. As a matter of fact the Brits still have their (middle) finger in on the mess, if you're not familiar Dimitri Lascaris Reason2Resist.Substact.com has done a number of pieces on the Brits flying reconnaissance, surveillance, and supply flights out of their airbase at Akrotiri on Cyprus. The European imperialist sense of entitlement won't die.
Hello X K .... As the Old Mantra Goes.... Follow the $$$... Notice where the Rothschild Dynasty has Footholds...
Starvation as a weapon has been used before. The slaughter of the buffaloes caused death from starvation among Americas native people. The allies used it against Germany in WW I and maintained it even after the armistice of Nov. 11, 1918. Churchill starved to death between 3 and 6 million Indians in the middle of WW II. The Nazis used it in the occupied Soviet Union and in the concentration camps. Israel has learned well from its western supporters and mentors.
As we see the Palestinians force-marched, dying in the process, to places that do not provide refuge I think of the "Trail of Tears", of the Cherokee Indians force-marched to the desolate land that we now call Oklahoma.
From Wikipedia: "By 1837, 46,000 Indians from the southeastern states had been removed from their homelands, thereby opening 100,000 km2 for white settlement."
FYI - Gaza is 45 km2 and there (were) over 2 million Palestinians living there.
So humankind, despite all its acquisition of knowledge about nature and the world, despite its "mastery" of nature to suit its ends, still fundamentally exists at the level of bacteria and other microorganisms fighting it out for nutrients on a giant Petri dish.
Some legacy.
Given what we have seen, it's hard to believe that what Dan White has posited, is not in fact, the unspoken but real strategy of the Zionists.
... who claim to be the persecuted.
Hello Wrknight.... Who also claimto be the most Just Country, with the most Moral Army... What they do indeed have is World Class Hasbra....
Gotta love the title of that bestseller by Israeli/Zionist pop celeb Noa Tishby, "Israel: A Simple Guide to the Most Misunderstood Country in the World," which I have disabused of its pretense by re-titling it to "Israel: A Simple(ton's) Guide to the Most Misunderstood Country in the Solar System."
Yeah, they're something apart, but not in the sense of anything to be proud of, to boast about.
Hello X K ... What they don't talk about is the Israelis that leave... When you meet them, you learn that you have to keep an Eye on them... They are not a Nice People... People are Products of their System that they have lived in...
You'll have to tell me more about this, but about to step out for the evening. I wonder if there's some way we can exchange aside from this forum, I'm not on any social media.
Hello X K ... I'm not on any Social Media either.... Have a Good Evening....
Death of the soul, the collective conscience of a society, begins slow, then accelerates to total atrophy. The Israeli people are in the advance stages.
"The Israeli people are in the advance stages."
a) I don't consider them "people," no way. I use "existents," look it up, it's a real word.
b) There's no reclamation, no forgiveness, no salvation from what they have identified themselves as. A fraction of justice being served would be for all but 2% of current Israelis (the proportion in Palestine before the Ashkenazi Zionist arrival in the early 20th century), the reversion of all property and assets to the Palestinians, and a memorial to all dead, displaced, maimed Palestinians in a former Tel Aviv akin to the memorial in Berlin to those Jews murdered by the Nazis. As I said, that would only be a fraction of what is due justice for the outrages of the Zionists.
I visited Israel with my Jewish ex-wife and her family in 1995. I sensed a strong nationalism, purposefulness, industry. This was the public outer veneer for their raging racism, elitism, sense of superiority and ultimate entitlement. Like much of the world, back then I was ignorant of their abuse and oppression of the Palestinians. Now that's all coming to the fore and the world can see the ugly, ghastly, genocidal character of the Zionist core of their society. From what I can tell, over 80% of the population is infected with this moral cancer. We can only host it kills the host.
"I visited Israel with my Jewish ex-wife and her family in 1995. I sensed a strong nationalism, purposefulness, industry."
John, I'm reminded of that W.C. Fields joke about Philadelphia, here adapted: "I entered a contest. First place prize a week in Israel. Second place, two weeks in Israel."
It's been my observation in various venues and media, plus personal interaction, that certainly the Israelis/Zionists, plus many Jews even here in America (I draw a distinction between the two, sometimes hard to maintain), are amazingly ignorant about their own real history. Their fabulistic history is another matter, taken in hook, line, and sinker.
There's a two-part video on school age education in Israel which explains a lot, which you should see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRbAKrLfXZw and here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBAdpeJrN_Q. The indoctrination starts young, goes through to the end. These are deeply delusional, smug, arrogant, obnoxious beings. See also this very disturbing video by Abby Martin as she interviews Israelis from all walks of life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4.
"From what I can tell, over 80% of the population is infected with this moral cancer."
Your surmise is confirmed by a respected Penn State Univ. poll conducted last March and published by Haaretz in May which found "Support for genocide, mass murder, and ethnic cleansing is widespread in Israel." "82% of Israelis Want To Expel Palestinians From Gaza; 47% Want To Kill Every Man, Woman, Child."
"We can only hope it kills the host."
The only hope I see.
I've seen the Abby Martin video. Thanks for the other two links and the intelligent, thought-provoking comments.
I first saw the Abby Martin video around the time when it first came out, and she had a presence on one of the cable channels before being hounded off it. I was dumbstruck watching it. How can such attitudes exist in a seemingly educated, liberal society? Suffice it to say it made such an impression that I remember and refer to it to this day. And it's evidently much worse now too.
I have a personal friend -- well now a former friend -- who I met here in Japan. He is Jewish and migrated to Israel. Within six months he was spouting the typical racist garbage. Now he's a full-blown Zionist. A very intelligent guy but unable to withstand the overwhelming pressures of Israeli group think.
"Sometimes, mass starvation and pandemics were unintentional byproducts of chaos and societal disruption caused by war, and sometimes starvation and disease were intentional weapons and products of war."
Coupla points... 1) I wouldn't say so much "unintentional byproducts" as "inevitable byproducts of chaos and societal disruption."
2) If I'm recalling correctly, this country's military has engaged in deliberate acts to produce chaos, societal disruption, and dire hardship on civilian populations as far back as the Korean War when, lacking sufficient industrial targets to hit after pummeling what there was, the USAF and particularly the USN went after dams, dikes, and irrigation systems vital to North Korean agriculture, hence prelude to starvation, a war crime. North Korea hasn't forgotten this.
Similarly, in both invasions of Iraq, and particularly with Dumbya's excellent adventure therein, the power, water distribution, sanitation, and other infrastructure systems vital to civilian life were targeted. again by the USAF and USN. ("Top Gun" came out in 1986, before these fireworks displays, but it kinda set the precedent for them.)
There is a third point that needs to be made with regard to the starvation tactic employed by the Israelis/Zionists. This actually began with the UN Partition Plan of 1947, which grossly unjustly allocated 56% of the land - and the better land at that - to the smaller one-third Jewish population, the remaining 44% to the larger two-thirds Arab. Needless to say the Arabs wouldn't assent to such an outrage, yet they were, have been blamed ever since for refusing to agree to a "reasonable" peace.
So the starvation essentially began with the Nakba, and the subsequent pushing of the Palestinians off their land and the theft of it, which included agricultural land. Hence less capacity to be self-sufficient in food. And it continued in 1967, and thereafter, and thereafter, and thereafter, not only with the illegal settlements, but where the Palestinians still retained grazing and farmland, the deliberate practice of letting sewage and effluence from the settlements flow onto Palestinian land.
Then there were the retributions for the free, fair, and democratic elections of Hamas, over which Israel and the United States went apeshit, who rewarded the Gazans with blockades and strict control over imports and exports, as well as the institution of "subsistence plus" diets, i.e. just above starvation level. All this wantonly imposed on a once self-sufficient people by an arrogant, hostile, illegal force.
And as has been seen, the deliberate targeting of international humanitarian aid workers, the luring of Palestinians to food distribution sites-cum-shooting galleries, the banning of UNWRA from Palestine by Israel, the displacement of UN and other interational agency food programs by the sham Gaza Humanitarian Foundation all point to the long-term deliberate effort to empty Palestine and Gaza of the rightful owners of the land, either by forced expulsion, or dropping dead. The Israelis, and this country, don't care one way or the other.
For we Americans, the situation should be doubly alarming in that 1) we have a war criminal and Zionist as president, the second such, and 2) there is no way for us to get rid of this man for more than three years. The best we can hope for politically is to take Congress away from him but even that, though very likely, cannot happen for over a year. We are being tortured by our own government, bound by our obedience to election laws to endure an outlaw in the White House.
I demonstrate to relieve this feeling of utter helplessness to help human beings who are being exterminated in my name. That Trump could end the atrocity immediately as Biden could have before him only adds a bitterness to this agony that too many Americans seem able to ignore.
Israelis face the same mechanic in that they cannot get rid of Netanyahu no matter how much they fill the streets with demonstrations. Though it is a discredit to Americans that so many of us are indifferent to the plight of the Palestinians, but the Israelis sink to a lower level by approving what is being done to the Palestinians, the resistance to Netanyahu being entirely internal to the country.
Two monsters range widely wielding force with impunity, thinking nothing of any law, national or international while throwing up a barrage of lies. Couldn't this have been said of Hitler and Imperial Japan?
The Israeli opposition to Netanyahu is a sham. They're protesting his callousness in not prioritizing the release of the hostages, not the horrors of the genocide they're perpetrating on the Palestinians. There was a well-regarded poll conducted by researchers at Penn State last March, published by Haaretz in May, that "found that 82% of full citizens of Israel want to expel Palestinians from Gaza. 47% want to kill every single man, woman, and child in Gaza."
Norman Finkelstein has called them a "death cult," a "lunatic state." I call them beyond fornicated up.
Though no one can accurately predict when the starvation on Gaza Strip will peak, one thing we may be absolutely certain of is the unwavering continued support of the United (??) States for the Zionist regime. Netanyahu and cronies are well aware no nation is going to take in the surviving Palestinian refugees from Gaza. Thus, the notion of relocation is a very sick joke. Thus the real policy is TOTAL ANNIHILATION, and this is a crime against humanity of the most egregious nature. This is one of the great tragedies of these times and "The whole world is watching," as anti-war demonstrators chanted in the streets of Chicago when Mayor Daley's "boys in blue" launched their assaults on them. And Jewish readers please take note: Trump instantly elevated Charlie Kirk to "secular sainthood." And WHO WAS THIS CHARLIE KIRK? A vile, racist Jew-hating American Nazi agitator, that's who!!! As I've noted here previously, employing the nearly lost art of IRONY: Yeah, Trump sure loves Jews, huh?!?
"Thus the real policy is TOTAL ANNIHILATION..."
In other words, just another manifestation of Israeli/Zionist contempt for lives other than their own. Use 'em, schmooze 'em, then when finished with 'em, dispose of 'em, that's all they're good for. They did it with the British from their arrivals from Europe to Palestine in the early 20th century, up to finding the Brits an impediment to their ambitions, culminating in the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946, killing 91, injuring 147.
So theoretically the same could happen to us, but they know that without us they're only around for a few months, so they'll continue to invest in the stroking of this country.
I'd forgotten about that terrorist bombing of the hotel. I wonder if Menachem Begin had a hand in that? Years ago, before PhotoShop and other means for easy fakery arose, I saw a reproduction of a Wanted poster issued for Begin by the (British) Palestine Mandate authorities. "WANTED FOR TERRORIST ACTIVITIES" Yes, a future Prime Minister of Israel.
Yes, very much involved in that, if not the mastermind, even boasted about it some years later. I think Ben-Gurion in on it too, in any event terrorism was very much a part of the tactics of the founders of Israel.
And now they don't hesitate to smear Hamas with that label, when they only resorted to it after repeated frustrations and underhandedness and humiliations by the Israelis. Their principal role has been as a nationalist movement, a political movement, a social service organization. Democratically elected in 2005 in acknowledged free and fair elections, and Israel has the audacity to insist on their removal. How 'bout telling Netanyahu to take a long walk off a short pier into the Israeli-polluted waters off Gaza?
You jarred me to recall the very short-lived pier brilliant US military engineers built that was supposedly going to pave way for delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza!! Of course, as long as existence of Israel serves US financial interests, Netanyahu will never be invited to walk off any pier. (Would be nice to see some of his own citizens bring that about, though.) Right now the largest flotilla of private boats yet assembled to try to deliver aid to Gaza is going to sea, in stages from different ports. Making a MORAL statement. Because there can be no doubt Israeli military will assault, arrest, sink, destroy, whatever is needed to ensure the aid never makes it to its destination.
"... the very short-lived pier brilliant US military engineers built that was supposedly going to pave way for delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza!!"
Yeah, wasn't that a gem of an idea, rather than kick the fornicating Israelis in the ass or balls to open up the land corridors to the trucks loaded with food and supplies, spend U.S. taxpayer money on a ridiculous project that lasted two weeks. Testament to Joe Biden's "I am a Zionist" statement, idiot, rectal orifice.
"Right now the largest flotilla of private boats yet assembled to try to deliver aid to Gaza is going to sea, in stages from different ports. Making a MORAL statement."
THE MORAL STATEMENT to be made would be to have the U.S. Sixth Fleet, with its two aircraft carriers, 175 aircraft, numbers auxiliary vessels, escort that flotilla to Gaza. In other words, have them do some good, rather than bomb Yemenis for the having the courage to do the right thing by launching missiles against shipping bound for Israel.
Open our homes and give Sanctuary to those still alive. Deal with Israel at the UN. But the Palestinians need sanctuary Now
Nice but naive thought. The UN has dealt with the UN for decades, courtesy of US votes negating any substantive action against the genocidal entity. Open our homes? Just what Israel wants, any way to get rid of the Palestinians.
Where does this leave us? With dead Palestinians, again just what Israel wants. After all, they celebrate the deliberate shooting of children in the head, chest, and genitals.
Until we tame the xionist jews this current situation will end badly for Palestine and much of its surrounding arab neighbors. Their house is burning so rescue them so they can return later. I hear talk about the UN leaving NYC and potentially moving to Shanghai. The USA is blocking members from entering usa airspace so why not move to Shanghi.
We need the UN to buffer individual city states from taking over the world ambitions.
Naive I may be but history proves change happens .
I should have better stated that yes, the UN is the place - or ordinarily under reasonable, sane conditions - to deal with Israel, if:
1) The UN were reorganized either to remove the Security Council entirely or have it be staffed on a rotating basis, in any event to remove the U.S. reckless use of the veto.
2) The UN were given authority to intervene militarily under conditions that meet certain criteria, deliberate starvation being one. For godssake, we have the Sixth Fleet, based in Naples, with 40 ships - including two aircraft carriers, escort vessels, submarines, and personnel transports - 175 aircraft, 21,000 personnel, to protect the humanitarian efforts in Gaza and to tell Israel to fornicate off, and instead they're enjoying cappuccinos while on shore leave.
So yes, your view is right, it's just the the U.S. is blocking its realization.
The 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse are galloping throughout this World in OUR Generations, aided and abetted by the 5th Estate, the 5th Horseman of the Apocalypse, as Propagandist for the Status Quo Powers of this World, especially in the US!
https://rayjc.com/2025/07/21/babylon-the-great-the-mother-of-harlots-and-a-bom-i-nations-of-the-earth/
Ray, I can only think of global warming regarding apocalypse and nobody is paying it any attention while Trump calls it a hoax.
Clif, I went to your site. I like it!
Clif, my article published on Global Warming 13 years ago;
https://rayjc.com/2012/07/11/revelation-global-warming-fact-or-fiction-truth-or-consequences/
Hello All... It was European Diseases ( BioWar ), and "Jack Daniels" ( Chemical Warfare ) that killed the most Indigenous, along with the intentional Near-Extinction of the American Bison ( Starvation ), during the 19th Century...
Thank you, Apache, for filling out the means by which they carried out their "civilizing" rationales. Also, didn't they establish "Indian" schools and orphanages, by which they further sought to erase Native Americans' cultures?
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Knowing about it, knowing about our depravity in greater detail daily still doesn't have us doing much about it behind our screens we are sickly fiends.
Yes--but putting a stop to this would require a massive march on DC, an act that would likely end in violence (mass arrests, the shooting of protesters who refused to obey police orders).
The organization, the will, the willingness to sacrifice and possibly to die, just isn't there. Not yet, anyway.
What do you think?
I agree with you Bill our times are sad. We are too busy, too distracted, too divided too intimidated, too overwhelmed to follow the steps that Ralph Nader lays out. Even if everyone of us just phoned our senators and congressional representatives that would be felt. That would be something, something Nader said is not being done enough and would resonate.
All large movements start small-tiny-with ACTIVE ACTUAL STEPS OUT OF OUR COMFORT ZONES. Ralph knows as he took these tiny steps when he was tiny and unknown.. Don't assume you know all the steps that could be taken. Bill's readers are aware of the ongoing genocide. The difference between Bill and Ralph is that he is always pointing to things he has actually done, is still doing, still doable besides writing about it. Being aware and describing it does not absolve you of your complicity in it as tax payers supporting it.
Describing it in greater detail is wasted time you could be spending on efforts to stop it. "But there's nothing I can do but raise attention to it" when society-especially your readership is already aware of it is in the end just escapism. Not to mention the crippling effect of overwhelming them to helplessness. Mark Taylor at least draws attention to Ralph's weekly radio hour where he focuses on what can be done. "Check out this piece by Ralph that just went up on Common Dreams: "Ten Groups Who Can and Must Do More to Fight Trumpism --- All these groups have diminished themselves and their real potential to generate strong direct democratic pressures and arouse the citizenry." https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/do-more-to-fight-trump The guy is 91 and sharper and more caring of Americans than anyone in Congress and has done more to help the people of this country since FDR. " wrote Mark Taylor. Bill could listen to/look at Ralph's pointers for activism and spread them. That would be doing something!
Nader points out the congressional offices track what the phones ringing off hooks are saying and that effects votes.
I hope that applies to the "Contact Us" sections on senators' and representatives' websites, which I have used extensively, thus far only getting automated or perfunctory responses, if that. Maybe they don't appreciate my employing thinly disguised four-letter words in making my positions clear?
Bill's readers are aware of the ongoing genocide. The difference between Bill and Ralph is that he is always pointing to things he has actually done, is still doing, still doable besides writing about it. Being aware and describing it does not absolve you of your complicity in it as tax payers supporting it.
Describing it in greater detail is wasted time you could be spending on efforts to stop it. "But there's nothing I can do but raise attention to it" when society-especially your readership-is in the end is escapism. Mark Tayor at least draws attention to Ralph's weekly radio hour where he focuses on what can be done. "Check out this piece by Ralph that just went up on Common Dreams: "Ten Groups Who Can and Must Do More to Fight Trumpism --- All these groups have diminished themselves and their real potential to generate strong direct democratic pressures and arouse the citizenry." https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/do-more-to-fight-trump The guy is 91 and sharper and more caring of Americans than anyone in Congress and has done more to help the people of this country since FDR. " wrote Mark Taylor. Bill could listen to/look at Ralph's pointers for activism-that make hope a verb.
Hear ya, and agree. Words do count, they can help change the narrative, which counts for something, but that's not enough. I've been inspired by Clif Brown in Evanston IL, I've got something in the works, too early for details at the moment.
Will look forward to hearing about your project in the works
"But there's nothing I can do but raise attention to it" when society-especially your readership is already aware of it is in the end just escapism Not to mention the crippling effect of overwheming them to helplessness.
"But there's nothing I can do but raise attention to it" when society-especially your readership is already aware of it is in the end just escapism Not to mention the crippling effect of overwheming them to helplessness.