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I have a friend who's a strong supporter of Ukraine and U.S./NATO policy. He argues that Ukraine's drone attacks are proportionate, that Ukraine should be supported as it is winning the war, that negotiation at this stage would be a mistake, and that my concerns are very much overblown.

Here's how I responded to him:

I admire your confidence in Ukraine.

I am not so confident. In citing the peril of long wars, I merely repeat what James Madison said in 1795. I also echo what I learned from closely studying World War I and the life of Paul von Hindenburg. As a general rule, you wage war long, you wage it wrong.

You seem to me to be caught up in tactics and weaponry, confident in an eventual Ukrainian victory as long as Biden continues to send billions in arms and ammunition. (If the latest request is approved, U.S. aid will exceed $90 billion in less than a year.) What I see is a country being devastated by war, with the poor and weak suffering the most from hunger and lack of heat.

That doesn't mean I want Ukraine to surrender or Putin to "win." The longer the war lasts, the more Ukraine (and Russia) suffers, even as war, as Madison said, reinforces authoritarianism and feeds corruption.

Whether Ukrainian attacks deep into Russia are "proportionate" depends very much on where you sit. I doubt Russia sees it that way. I don't care what Putin thinks, but I do care about how he might respond, and the dangers to Ukraine as well as the risks of a wider war.

As I've said, may your optimism and faith in Ukraine and the utility of war prevail.

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I was watching a John Mearsheimer interview last night on UnHerd. He says there's a "non-trivial" chance of escalation leading to nuclear war. So should I have that extra piece of pepperoni pizza? Sure, why not? Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow .....

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