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"I remind myself that madmen really exist. Sometimes they achieve the highest levels of political power in modern industrial nations." Carl Sagan-- Pale Blue Dot--- One of my two Fave. Carl Sagan Books the other being. "Cosmos"

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ok boys, enough of the contentious acrimony; such outspoken contumacy portends a transmogrification into virulence, rage, and ultimately warring factions on the battlefield, whether a literal one or a figurative one.

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Amen, Jeanie. Or ditto from me.

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Donald Trump needs YOUR HELP to get vengeance on the evil RULE OF LAW by Alexandra Petri / Washington Post 31 May 24

*** Any little bit helps toward freeing this nation from the iron thumb of the justice system! ***

Subject: Donald Trump, Political Prisoner

Dear Fellow American,

THE RULE OF LAW IS OUT OF CONTROL AND MUST BE STOPPED!

Have you heard the news? A so-called JURY OF HIS PEERS (absurd! the man is peerless!) dared to pass judgment on Donald J. Trump as though he were an ORDINARY CITIZEN, SUBJECT TO LAWS, and not the GOD-KING OF AMERICA THAT HE WAS AND SHALL BE!

The corrupt, wicked courthouse even had “EQUAL AND EXACT JUSTICE TO ALL MEN OF WHATEVER STATE OR PERSUASION” carved on the outside! AS THOUGH IT APPLIED TO DONALD J. TRUMP!

IF THIS IS THE WAY WE ARE GOING TO TREAT DONALD TRUMP, WE DON’T DESERVE TO BE A DEMOCRACY! PLEASE DONATE NOW SO THIS CAN STOP!

Juries, acting as if they had the right to pass judgment! Judges, judging! Laws, binding!

WE CAN’T HAVE THAT! WE CAN’T — AND WITH YOUR HELP, WE WON’T!

Donald Trump has wisely opted to ignore the verdict and call for another trial in the court of public opinion (a real place where we will get much better justice).

If he can be duly convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 counts of tampering with business records, then none of us is safe, assuming we also tampered with 34 business records to influence an election! This means the system is hopelessly broken!

Donald Trump is not just anybody! He’s supposed to be one of those the system protects but does not bind! But the system is saying that if he was suspected of breaking the law, he needed to be put on trial, and because he was found guilty, he should face consequences — AS THOUGH THEY DON’T KNOW WHO HE IS AND THE LAW DOESN’T CARE?

WE CAN’T STAND BACK AND LET THIS HAPPEN!

Some say Democrats did this to Donald Trump, but that misses the point. As long as we exist in a system where laws are binding and anyone can face trial for breaking them, Donald Trump is not safe!

That’s why we have to END THE TYRANNY OF THE RULE OF LAW NOW! As long as we have the rule of law and the right to vote means something, it is possible that Democrats, or even Traitor Republicans, can stand in the way of Donald Trump! We must fight like hell to end these conditions.

LAW-HAVING IS OUT OF CONTROL. YOU CAN’T FALSIFY BUSINESS RECORDS NOW? YOU CAN’T INTERFERE WITH AN ELECTION NOW? WHAT’S NEXT, NO COUPS?

Why is it that when Joe Biden walks into the White House and says, “I am President now,” it is fine, but when Donald Trump does that, it’s a coup? Sounds like a double standard to me. Sounds like maybe Joe isn’t below the law after all!

(Some law is fine, like whatever we can use to put HUNTER BIDEN IN A GULAG! And anybody who can get pregnant! Maximum law for them! But no laws for Donald Trump or his family members or that nice man with the pillows.)

If being a country of laws means that Donald Trump can be charged, tried and convicted in a court of law, then maybe being a country of laws is the enemy! And you know what Donald Trump wants to do to his enemies!

PLEASE SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP! ANY LITTLE BIT HELPS TOWARD OUR GOAL OF FREEING THIS NATION FROM THE IRON THUMB OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM! OUR ONE NATION SHOULD BE UNDER GOD (TRUMP’S BIGGEST FAN) AND THAT’S IT! DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT ELECTED PRESIDENT (TWICE, IF HE IS READING THIS) TO BE UNDER THE “LAW” LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

We just thought that if you were president even once, it meant you got to do crimes, and if that’s not true, we’re going to respond by making this place unlivable and issuing WEIRD THREATS!

LAW AND JUSTICE IN AMERICA HAVE HAD THEIR DAY LONG ENOUGH. SEND MONEY TODAY, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THIS RIGGED SYSTEM THAT INSISTS ON TREATING ALL DEFENDANTS ALIKE WILL END RIGHT NOW!

If you support Donald Trump, we absolutely can destroy that system. Look what we’ve already done to the Supreme Court and people’s faith in institutions!

PLEASE GIVE NOW! NEVER SURRENDER!

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/31/trump-fundraising-verdict-satire/ ; EMPHASES in the original.

With a hearty Thankee to Ray for providing that link.

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Parody is dead.

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Jun 2Liked by Bill Astore

The Zionist enterprise from the beginning to the present is another nail in the coffin of the western narrative of an international rules based order. Or from another angle, one could say that it is further confirmation that whatever is meant by western rules has nothing to do with any common understanding of ethics and morality. One only needs to look behind the real history of the U.S. since its beginning as confirmation of my assertion.

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One needs also only to look at the real history of 14th-to-20th century Europe's "Christian"-based Empires in Africa, the Middle East, West and East Asia, the Pacific Basin, and the entire Western Hemisphere [ie, Spain, Portugal, France, England, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Italy, and Czarist Russia for starters] to get equal confirmation.

The West's concept of an "international rules-based order" has always consisted of Colonies under the direct control ~ if not dictatorship ~ of one or more of those "Christian" Empires.

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Nicely illustrated by the papal decision known as the Treaty of Tordesillas of 1494. A few centuries before the crusaders proclaimed “God is with us” as they laid waste to the “Holy Land.”

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Very Nicely illustrated.

That Treaty ~ coming as it did two years after Columbus ran into something in the West that prevented him from getting to India in the East ~ divided that newly-discovered "New World" between Spain and Portugal. And the rest, as they say, is History.

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I keep wondering when a university president will grow enough of a spine to state what you know they want to say. The latest and perhaps most pathetic I’ve seen is Jonathan Holloway, president of Rutgers. A black president and scholar of African American history for god’s sake!

As Rep. Good (in name only) asked, “Do you think Israel’s government is genocidal?” Holloway responds, “Um sir, I don’t … have an opinion on Israel’s um …in terms of that phrase.”

Would it really take so much courage to say, “HELL YES!” I’m sure he has plenty to retire on and live comfortably all his days. What a betrayal of an historically oppressed people!

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AIPAC turds will man the exits at Nutty Yahoo's speech to congress. Any politician whose hands are not bleeding from applauding the Genocide Turd will be punished. Butt sensors have been installed in the seats to monitor each participant's time spent performing standing ovations. Will the AIPAC puppets wave terrorist Israeli flags like they did with Nazi Ukraine?

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The U.S. will do what it usually does: take the show on the road to somewhere else, assisted - as always - by the compliant MSM. Gaza will join the catalogue of mass murder aided or committed by the U.S. that includes: 2 million dead Vietnamese and 4.5 million dead in the GWOT.

And most U.S. citizens will forget, if they ever knew, and the empire will continue killing until it collapses - taking us with it. Though we likely deserve it.

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The people of the US can definitely be scolded for not really paying much attention to what their country is doing, but then again, the Corporate-Owned-News isn't just acting as gatekeeper and cheerleader for the mass slaughter, they are also the propagandists that force feed everyone with notions of "evil people" like Putin. So there is a lot of culpability to be put squarely on the fake news celebrities, some of whom make upwards of $10 million a year. Obviously, that kind of money would make many people say whatever came across the teleprompter. Our job should be to develop ways to convince people to start thinking more critically about what comes across the video screen. If more Americans actually saw Putin giving one of his speeches (he gives a lot of them) they might start to wonder how such an evil person manages to say such reasonable things. Then showing clips of Biden calling Putin a thug and a dictator might put Putin in a better light. I have never seen a speech by Putin where he sounded even 1/10 as belligerent and stupid as Biden sounds.

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bravissimo, john r moffett! thank you for your sober, instructive, and reasonable approach to achieving, not necessarily concordance, but at least some semblance of comity among the bellicose who are teetering on the cusp of that belligerence you have pointed out.

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MSM = 5th Horseman of the Apocalypse

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Ray: Moses first man with a Tablet who downloaded Data from the Cloud... :/ :o)

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John, those are excellent points concerning our present situation. The problem is that even before the MSM became as skilled as it is now in controlling the narrative, there was reporting of the horrors and lies in other places (e.g., Vietnam, Central America, the West Bank) and people chose to forget. I think it comes down to a quote by Milan Kundera: The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting. We can't succeed if as a people we forget what we see.

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I am working on an article on this topic, where as far as I can tell one major issue with forgetting has a lot to do with tribal/team behavior. It is very easy to discount what your own team has done wrong, whereas memory about what the other team supposedly did wrong is lasting. A lot of money has been spent on figuring out how to manipulate people based on their cognitive weaknesses. For example, societal pressure to go along with your team is very intense and can be stoked to silence dissent.

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Just curious: How'd You Kiwis react and respond to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Was there dancing in the streets?

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We're all Putin puppets here. Or Putin nesting dolls.

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Or Biden Puppets. Or Trump Puppets.

All being pulled by the same set of strings.

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Everyone is a Propagandist wanting to get their points of interests to be seen!

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And so what happened when Trump was President that changed any of that? Anything?

Just for starters: How'd America's national "defense and security" budgets do when the Corporal sat in the Offal Office? And how much did America's national, sovereign Debt increase when Your self-proclaimed "very stable genius" [sic...or is it sick?] was in charge?

Got any numbers on that?

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Give what a break? You're the one who proudly keeps posting Swanson's numbers about American military and political activity overseas since WW II.

And who keeps cooing about how great a job Trump did when he sat in his Offal Office.

But i can see and understand completely why You ~ and every other MAGAt ~ don't like to talk about how the numbers for American "defense and security" budgets and its national, sovereign Debt increased during Trump's reign.

Take a break, Dennis. You and all Your fellow MAGAts need all the comforting You can get or take.

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FFS??? What does "Facial Feminization Surgery" have to do with any of this?

And sorry Dennis: i refer to all Trumpatistas and Trumpers as "MAGAts." So don't take it personally.

And i have no problem with Swanson's numbers. i have a problem with Your refusal to answer questions about how "defense and security" Budgets and the national, sovereign Debt did when Your boy sat on his throne.

How many people did America kill or maim from 20 Jan 17 TO 20 Jan 21? And what was America's national, sovereign Debt on 20 Jan 17, as opposed to on 20 Jan 21? Got any numbers on that?

But don't feel bad. You are not the only MAGAt who ignores questions like that.

On the other hand, given Trump's stellar experience with bankruptcies, he might just be the very best person to be in charge when the U.S. goes bankrupt and into Default.

And screws all those "losers and suckers" [Trump's term for WW I American War Dead in a cemetery in France] who thought investing in America was a good idea.

re Trump's "losers and suckers," see what his former Chief of Staff had to say on the matter at https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly .

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There are those who say "God is nowhere" and others who say "God is now here." I say, look within yourself, try to find some spark of goodness. Don't look to a "higher power" to save you.

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The Fundamental of the Faith is believing the Christ of God lives within you. Once you believe it you have to act on it, Day by Day, wanting to be better and do better with all humility.

That's living by example!

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altho' lads and lassies like you, hitch, krauss, sam, and i are in the minority, dennis, we at least are no longer fearful of divulgating to others the nescient nonsense of monotheism.

our inuit arctic cultures [based on non-human animal reverence], the hindus, the greeks, multifarious african cultures, etc. have created myths that make far more sense to the 'sentient', and they do so in terms of reality-based fantasies [an oxymoron, no?] to help the nescient live in their respective ambits w/ their emotions and wits intact.

buddhism makes even more sense: the effort of life is to understand death when one becomes an integrated quiddity of the universal concept of nothingness.

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As does Daoism make more sense; at least to me.

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Dennis, the Christian God is the same God of Judaism and the same God of Islam.

You tend to focus all your critique on the Christian flavor, I suppose because you were raised Christian.

Believers tend to do what they want, then cite God for support. The problem isn't "God" per se; it's we humans using "God" as an excuse or rationale for whatever it is we wish to do.

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It would be very interesting to find out how many Christians regard their God, aka "The Father," to be the same God as the Jews' "YHWH" or the Muslims' "Allah."

And how many Jews think their YHWH is the same as Allah and The Father.

And how many Muslims think Allah is the same as YHWH and The Father.

My guess is not too many.

In any event and as You pointed out, Bill: Throughout history, all three religions ~ and particularly Governments aligned with and/or controlled by "religious" Christians, Jews, or Muslims ~ have done a GREAT job of using their particular God as a rationale and/or excuse for Anything and Everything.

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an arresting hortative elenchus, dennis, to address, contemplate, or be refuted by bill, rj, and other benighted believers of monotheistic gods. however, it is acceptable, even applauded, if their fantasy gods inspire them to 'do good in the world' or at least to 'do no harm'.

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You're describing a god that is Alien to the God I know and Trust!

After overturning the tables on the Bankers & Merchants working the Kosher Shopping Mall on Temple Property, he knew he was facing Crucifixion for offending the Jewish Religious Establishment to the degree he did.

After the Supper, his Disciples all passed out, he was all alone in his passion praying to God he be spared the torture of Crucifixion. That prayer wasn't answered.

The Christ had to be Crucified in Jerusalem then, to identify with the oppressed innocents of Gaza in the genocide engineered in Jerusalem Today.

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Not yet, amazingly.

Read the novel "American Gods," Dennis. You'll like it. We humans have created so many gods, most in our own image, meaning deeply flawed, capricious, vain, angry, vengeful.

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And Who, exactly, bequeathed that title of the "World Champion Gold Medalist Megalomaniac God" to the so-called "Christian" God?

All those White, "Christian" Nationalists flocking to Trump's altar?

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If there is a God, he must have infinite patience. For if I were he, I think I would have done a lot of smiting.

:-)

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It's called 'The Patience of the Saints!"

Seems there is much less Patience and Fewer Saints in these Polarizing Times.

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"Christopher Hitchens is dead." ~ God

As soon will be Biden and Trump.

And will ~ in a very short period of time ~ be the Experiment that was the United States of America.

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If Trump is living "rent-free" in my head, how much are You ~ and every other MAGAt ~ paying him to live in Your/Their heads?

And NFL stadiums ~ like NASCAR and Indy 500 stadiums ~have all kinds of room for all kinds of altArs: be it for American "Football," extended Drag Racing, White Christian Nationalists, and, of course, MAGAts like You.

Also, i wonder how big a laugh Your two Daughters and Grandson will get when when the US does implode/self-destructs. Or is Corporal Bonespurs going to be their Savior, like he is Yours? When he fails, think they'll try to get back home to be with Daddy in New Zealand?

And finally: If they are interested in "what kind of life this old boomer guy has," have them contact me by email, and i will be happy to clue them in. For starters, there's living in Sitka, Alaska on the sailboat that i brought up from San Francisco Bay twelve years ago this summer; as far away from TrumpLandia and BidenOpia as possible, and still technically be in the United States. At least for the moment.

And finally, NOTC doesn't need any "alters" [turned off Your spell check, i see]. And there are no "NOTC 'Nationalists'." You obviously don't have a clue about what NOTC is all about, as much as You like to think and claim You do.

So how much ARE You paying for Trump to be stuck between Your ears? And what form of currency are You paying it in that he and his lawyers accept?

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And.., people still think a good just God designed this!!?? Its survival of the fittest! If we're lucky/ fortunate we'll get to orbit this strictly small, average,yellow dwarf star --one of billions in this galaxie alone, countless others in the observable Universe for several decades, or a 100 years at best, and ponder the Ages. Life came out of the Oceans, and the Continent of Africa I believe...Peace out and have a good "Sagan Sunday" Dennis.

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Dudeism dude!

Do you think that Sagan was a dude?

Would he still be "cautiously optimistic" now?

Probably "I told you so!"

How was the eclipse?

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Toma: "This aggression will not Stand man" The Dude for Prez. Nov. 2024!!! The Dude & Carl both Abide Yea. man, both smoking a little Hooch together. The Total "Solar American Eclipse" was perfect/ epic in N.H. for my Fam. and I Toma Thx. Buddy...! :O)

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Ha, ha, ha... If a man, or woman is a true "holy man"there is no need for Clerical Garb. Of course the world will end w/ Fire when our little star-- The Sun/ Sol (star) eventually expands in its death throes and encompasses Earth taking out our atmosphere and vaporizing our oceans., or a wayward Asteroidal body even larger than the one that took out the Dinosaurs! We will then be reduced to a burnt out Cinder! Hallelujah... And that's the Gospel truth Ruth.

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