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Bill Astore's avatar

I wish people were as stirred up about nuclear annihilation (and $2 trillion more for future nukes) as they are about Hunter's pardon.

TomR's avatar

The interesting will be to see if Biden pardons himself before he leaves office - which would prove two things.

The first is that Joe Biden is a narcissistic grifter who will never pay for all the crimes he committed over his lifetime while in office, including sponsoring crime bills that put minorities into jail, and supporting wars that send other people's children to die.

The other thing is that national politics is hopelessly corrupt and there is zero difference between the two corporate parties. The Bastille needs to be stormed and the guillotine needs to be brought out.

jg moebus's avatar

How does Biden's being "a narcissistic grifter etc" make him any different than any other politician who has been in DC for more than one term?

Especially the part about never paying for the crimes he committed

Even more especially about all those wars that killed all those other people's children?

Alex's avatar

Democrats needed the Hunter Biden prosecution so that they could claim (for the election of course) that the prosecution of Donald Trump was not politically motivated (which of course it was). Now that the election is over, Biden is free to pardon his son, as no one needs to prove anything. Of course the other political prosecutions (like the J6 defendants) are not affected, though they should be.

Glen Brown's avatar

The population of American prisons is proof that justice is for all that can afford it.

Mary Ann Caton's avatar

As Senator Tom Cotton said on X, “Democrats can spare us the lecture on “no one is above the law.”

Alex's avatar

Bible story. Abraham was told by God to sacrifice his son, Isaac. So did he? No he did not. Instead he found a sheep in the bushes and sacrificed that. Such is our makeup. We don't sacrifice our offspring that easily. Oh and Isaac ended up establishing the bloodline of the entire nation of Israel. I guess that was a close call. Biblically speaking.

Ray Joseph Cormier's avatar

I don't think the entire Nation of Israel TODAY has the Faith in God like Jacob did, whom God renamed Israel.

The World Central Kitchen was targeted again by Israel. The 1st Time Israel attacked the World Central Kitchen convoy delivering much needed aid to the Palestinians in Gaza, the World was outraged and Israel was feeling the heat. They had to change the News cycle and fast.

Israel perpetrated an ACT of WAR against Iran, attacking Iran Sovereign territory demolishing Iran's Consulate attached to the Embassy in Damascus.

The World Central Kitchen story disappeared from the News with the bigger Israel story! That was on April Fools Day!

https://rayjc.com/2024/04/13/israels-april-fools-day/

Dennis Litfin's avatar

Compared to Trump’s pardons of Stone, Manafort, Bannon, plus the many more Congressional ‘killer’ insurrectionist pardons which will soon come from him, Hunter and his transgressions are ‘small potatoes’.

Victoria's avatar

Exactly. Did Hunter murder anyone? Wasn't it all basically a paperwork scandal? Jesus. Put down your pitchforks.

jg moebus's avatar

Is it? See the comment i just posted.

Victoria's avatar

Still not the point. You don't throw your own children into the fire. Sorry you feel differently. You sound like a wonderful human.

Robert Levering's avatar

100% ugly. Like his "red lines" about Gaza. Hard for Trump to trump this for hypocrisy.

jg moebus's avatar

This is what The Libertarian Institute’s Kyle Anzalone has to say on the matter... :

JOE’S PARDON FOR HUNTER IS MORE THAN JUST A FATHER PROTECTING HIS SON

On Sunday, President Joe Biden did something he pledged never to do, issue a pardon for his son, Hunter Biden.

Hunter’s history of drug abuse and his running afoul of US tax and gun laws have now been well documented. And, as a libertarian, violating drug, tax, and gun laws should be considered a badge of honor and well worthy of a pardon.

However, HUNTER’S PARDON IS ABOUT FAR MORE THAN UNPAID CHILD SUPPORT, HOOKERS, AND CRACK, BUT THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS HE MADE FROM A CORRUPT UKRAINIAN GAS COMPANY.

BIDEN’S PARDON FOR HIS SON STRETCHES TO CRIMES COMMITTED IN 2014. WHY IS THAT DATE SIGNIFICANT? BECAUSE IN 2014, VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN WAS LEADING THE WHITE HOUSE POLICY FOR UKRAINE. IN COORDINATION WITH VICTORIA NULAND, THE VEEP ORCHESTRATED A COUP IN KIEV.

Once Biden became the effective viceroy over Ukraine, Burisma - a Ukrainian energy company - saw an opportunity. Burisma hired Hunter, who did not speak Ukrainian or have experience in the energy sector, paying him tens of thousands of dollars every month.

Obviously, Burisma did not hire Hunter for his connections to prostitutes and crack, but because his father had the power to control the Ukrainian government.

SO, A DECADE LATER, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE INCOMING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MAY START ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DECISIONS BIDEN MADE IN UKRAINE AND WHY. AND THAT IS WHY JOE PARDONED HUNTER; NOT TO SAVE HIS SON, BUT TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS.

Source: https://mailchi.mp/libertarianinstitute/this-week-at-the-libertarian-institute-olhmx6gn9t-5846832?e=aa85a9e336 ; EMPHASES added.

wdt parker's avatar

And what, pray, will the response be should Trump pardon himself? Or start issuing blanket pardons to his supporters? The January 6 mob? This is what Amerika has come to in the 21st century. What Biden has done - what Trump may yet do - should come as no surprise or stir up a sense of outrage in anyone who has been paying attention.

Clif Brown's avatar

I'm waiting for it to hit bottom with a president pardoning himself. A candidate for this is about to take office.

Open Letters by Mersault's avatar

An Open Letter to President Biden: Supporting Your Decision to Pardon Hunter

Trump turned pardons into tools of corruption, shielding cronies and stacking courts to protect himself. Biden’s decision to pardon Hunter is a stand against the GOP's weaponization of justice.

https://open.substack.com/pub/patricemersault/p/an-open-letter-to-president-biden?r=4d7sow&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

jg moebus's avatar

Would You call the Lawfare waged against Trump by the Democrats a similar "weaponization of justice"?'

Or was that somehow something completely different?

Open Letters by Mersault's avatar

The Justice Department was thoroughly justified in investigating Donald Trump, not out of partisanship but out of necessity due to the severity and breadth of his crimes. From efforts to overturn a democratic election and inciting an insurrection to mishandling classified information and financial fraud, the scope of his actions demanded rigorous scrutiny. To ignore these accusations would have been a dereliction of duty by the Justice Department, undermining the very principle that no one is above the law.

This was not a partisan witch hunt—it was a measured response to credible evidence of serious wrongdoing. The Justice Department operates to protect the rule of law, not political interests, and their investigations reflect the gravity of Trump’s potential crimes. The magnitude of his actions threatened not just individual victims but the integrity of our democratic institutions. Ensuring accountability in such cases is not about politics; it’s about preserving the trust and legitimacy of our legal and governmental systems.

jg moebus's avatar

If that is the case about those two cases, then how do You explain that, according to CNN... :

"Special counsel Jack Smith announced on November 25 that he was dropping both his election subversion case and the classified documents case against President-elect Donald Trump.

"While Smith is dropping his prosecution of Trump, he said that prosecutors would keep alive their case against two of his employees in the classified documents case." [ https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/07/politics/trump-indictments-criminal-cases/ ]

And which of the other cases brought by the Biden Justice Department against Trump involve "financial fraud"?

Open Letters by Mersault's avatar

He dropped the cases because Trump’s hand-picked Supreme Court effectively shielded him from accountability—not because he was innocent. The Court’s decisions didn’t exonerate Trump; they exploited legal loopholes and technicalities to place him beyond the reach of justice, undermining the principle that no one is above the law.

jg moebus's avatar

As You may recall, Trump's hand-picks for the SCOTUS were also approved by the US Senate. Under brand new Rules that enabled appointments to be made by a simple majority, rather than the historical 60% requirement.

And if Trump had not been re-elected, my guess is that the cases would not have been dropped, as the SC Ruling applies only to sitting President, not ex-Presidents. That's why it didn't happen before the election.

My source on this is https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jack-smith-dismiss-charges-trump-d-c-election-case/ .

And in any event and as far as i can tell, being "innocent" or "guilty" has no bearing whatsoever on "Immunity."

Denise Donaldson's avatar

While I don't personally believe that Hunter did anything prison worthy---that is, federal prosecutors wouldn't have brought the cases against most anyone else---the optics are all bad. Yes, I think the prosecutions of Hunter Biden were politically motivated, and yes, I can sympathize with Joe's not wanting his son to be in prison, and yes, mango man has escaped accountability for his myriad egregious crimes. But what a terrible example Biden is setting for the country.

Victoria's avatar

All you got from this is a bad example was set? 🙄

jg moebus's avatar

i'm curious Denise: Do You think the prosecutions of Trump were politically motivated?

i think the term is "Lawfare."

Chaos Goblin's avatar

"I don’t care if Biden did 1 nepotism because Trump did 1000 nepotisms in his first term and is already on track to do 10,000 more nepotisms before his second term even starts."

George Conrad Dick's avatar

Bill...my sentiment is same....I'm tired of Hunter Biden, really I feel a bit sorry for him. He committed no violent crime, so I don't see him as any kind of threat to society. I don't blame his Dad for pardoning him, and I don't really care that he lied about it. The pardon is of no consequence to the well being of America, and hey, we won't have to shell out taxpayer money to incarcerate him.