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Fireman1110's avatar

People never realize the fragility of life versus death. I also was once treated for getting a bellyfull of bad smoke at the City I worked as a Firefighter @ the Emergency Room --not a pleasant experience. Yeah the exposure of toxic Oil smoke, and Fumes, and Spills will not bode well for this our fragile planet Earth. As Carl Sagan said we need to choose between cooperation, or self destruction. Our fear and stupidity will only be overcome by our embrace of education, understanding, and science, not ancient religions and dogma..!

Bill Astore's avatar

Next time, I'll cite you as well. Forgot about this (or I didn't know).

Fireman1110's avatar

N.P... lol Never told anyone, but the Wife, I didn't have time to Don my Scott Air Pak.! My bad...

Fireman1110's avatar

Took a beating, but signed myself off Injury Leave got more hell from the guy's than anything else. (coming back to Work too soon) the ER Dr's. and Nurses were awesome! In Fires the smoke gets you more than the flames, and that will be true to the environment as well in the Middle East from these toxic black oil fires smoky & nasty..!

Alex's avatar

Hegseth has an interesting metric for measuring progress: the number of missiles launched. Today we launched more missiles than yesterday and tomorrow we will launch even more. So we're winning (sic). Reminds me of the kill ratio during the Vietnam era. We killed more NVA than we lost today (10 times more) and will kill even more tomorrow. So we're winning (sic). See how that one turned out.

Alex's avatar

Good show. Thanks.

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1dEdited

Apparently if you work in a high position in government and you go against the grain you will be investigated for "disclosing classified information". They will grind you down. Something to keep in mind if they ever ask you.

Karl's avatar

I read all of this and so many other articles of a similar nature and wonder how much these authors really know about USA history. Trump’s latest military adventure in the Middle East is just a continuation of previous American military adventures of a bi-partisan behavior. The USA, like it or not, is a country made by war. This “light” to the world has been more engaged in wars than any other country across the planet. Go back to the beginning of the Republic and follow the military time line of the country to the present. One war after another. The rich whom Alexander Hamilton considered the real power in the new Republic as he stated during a long speech at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 always benefitted from state violence (war) and the interests of the masses who really didn’t matter according to Hamilton were doing the dirty work of war. War equals money and money is the only real value that matters in the USA. Freedom, Liberty, Equality and the pursuit of happiness are nice slogans and makes for good propaganda. Reality (or the backside) shows a side of US history that the political establishment doesn’t want to be explored. Those who dared were systematically marginalized. I said recently to my wife of 59 years “do you realize that we have lived our whole life in a time of continuous war?” In other people’s countries! BTW, I am not impressed with the reasons given by Joe Kent’s resignation letter - I read it carefully. He served the war state for quite some time in an elite killing unit as have numerous others who are objecting to Trump’s military activity. WAR IS EVIL and I repeat the Just War Theory is a philosophical as well as theological oxymoron.

Bill Astore's avatar

But Karl, look at the history of France, or Britain, or Germany, for example. Aren't those countries also made by war? Weren't they all empires? Weren't they all defined by incessant war and also undone by it?

My point is that America is typical, not exceptional.

Karl's avatar

You are comparing apples with or oranges. As far as France, England and Germany are concerned we are looking at thousands of years of history where dynastic ambitions were at work in the shifting nature of the countries. I could go into exploring the history of the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE OF THE GERMAN NATION which lasted from about the age of Charlemagne till 1806 when Napoleon put an end to it. It was a multi ethnic political structure headed by an often elected emperor who was quite limited in executive power. I won’t go into more details. There is quite a difference between these countries and the USA. NO, there were not incessant wars like those done by the USA in 250 years. I like to suggest that you look at America from the perspective of countries!

Bill Astore's avatar

Why not narrow the focus to the rise of Prussia, followed by the 2nd and 3rd Reichs? Surely that was a period of near-constant warfare, imperial expansion, followed by catastrophic defeat, a "country" made and unmade by war.

Karl's avatar

Are you serious? Prussia? Bismarck it is true used two wars in 1866 (Austria) and 1870(France) to achieve the unification of a „smaller“ Germany. He established cordial relations where ever it was possible. His policies laid the foundations for Germany’s rise to the second or third strongest economy in the world. That was the era of my father’s parents. The Third Reich? Do you really want to open an historical can of worms by looking at the role of the USA in Hitler‘s rise to power?

Bill Astore's avatar

Yes, I'm serious. History is all about comparisons, but comparing doesn't mean they're both the same. It's about similarities and differences. Compare/contrast.

And when it comes to Hitler's rise to power, I think you'd better look at Germany's role, not the USA's alleged role.

Karl's avatar

Historical methodology is first and foremost to tell a story based on facts.

What do you really know about Germany’s role in Hitler’s rise to power? I know what my Social Democratic father experienced and told me. Being constantly watched and threatened by the Gestapo for 12 years and having an aunt commit suicide because of Nazi laws in 1936 and my grandmother’s sister euthanized in 1944 left no sympathy for Nazism in my family or me. There never was an electoral mandate for Hitler before 1933. But there had been American capital to rescue the Nazi party’s finances in 1932. This is not alleged. Neither is the Versailles Treaty which ruined the economy of a former wealthy nation and led directly to the 1923 financial ruination of the German people when the Nazis were receiving a tiny fraction of popular support. Want to know about America’s role? Why don’t you google what Patton said in July 1945 or how the Americans and British incorporated former Nazi officials into the government of the newly created West Germany. I can still here my dad’s outrage and later saw all those ex Nazis from the chancellor’s office, Herr Globke, to the new head of Germany’s Bundesnachrichten Dienst (BND=CIA) SS officer Reinhard Gehlen who had been Hitler’s espionage chief in occupied Soviet Russia. You remember Werner von Braun? SS officer and slave labor employer in Peenemuende and a crucial engineer in America’s rocket ans space program. Here is a fraction of what I know about Germany’s role.

Bill Astore's avatar

I know there was considerable opposition within Germany to Hitler's rise to power. Nevertheless, while the Nazis never won a majority in a free vote, they gained enough votes (roughly 37%) for rightist elements within Germany to embrace him, making him Chancellor in January 1933. "We have hired him!" was the cry. But Hitler, Himmler, and the rest of their henchmen were not to be housebroken by traditional rightist elites.

Perhaps you might read my book, "Hindenburg: Icon of German Militarism," and let me know whether you think it's a fair depiction of those times.

X K's avatar

I was listening to the news this morning and heard of the attacks on oil and gas infrastructure in the region. Already extensive, and more to come, according to Trump’s and Hegseth’s boasting. So for years to come the world will be facing higher energy prices. Nice work, Donald, Netanyahu.

This, I figure, plus outrages and escalation to come, means the rest of the world will say “enough,” and Israel will soon thereafter come apart. (So it’s taken economics, and not morality, to do the job.) And when it collapses, further instability, to put it mildly, will be the order of the day as countries, interests, step into the void. The U.S. response will of course be more military spending - funded by gutting social and public spending, and piling onto the debt - until financial collapse occurs, even before 2036 which the CBO had set as a red flag date.

It all traces back to Yawah Sinwar who launched the world’s awakening on Oct. 7th, 2023, which in turn traces back to 1948, and before, which traces back to 1917, which traces back to 1897, and even before. So about 130 years in the making, the unmaking conceivably under ten to go, to see that crucifixion on a cross of iron, and over a barrel of oil.

jg moebus's avatar

Like i said to Bill earlier, XK:

Again, yet, and still, Bill, The Question is: “What can the American Peoples do to DEMAND that Their Government end this unnecessary, illegal, unconstitutional, dangerous, and immoral War NOW? And Make that actually happen?"

Anything?

All that this is is a continuation of “The Forever War,” inaugurated on 9/11; the Next Phase, if You will.

And the American Peoples have accepted and lived with that for 25 years this coming September 11, with barely a question asked. Let alone any attempt to end it.

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1dEdited

Short answer: nothing. You can write to your legislators and you will get a form response with their policy position. You get a couple of votes every 2 years. In between, the legislators mostly do what their party leaders tell them to do. That guarantees funding assistance for their next election and good committee assignments.

X K's avatar
1dEdited

I'm beginning to think that virtually the entirety of the system is so rigged - politics, government, the corporate state, the national security state, Wall St., the media - that there is no chance - and no time. Global warming for one, because we will be completely unable to respond to the disasters it spawns, because of two, the increasing precariousness of the financial/fiscal state of this country. A RAND study showed that something like $50 trillion in wealth had been transferred - stolen - from the bottom 90% to the top 10% from about 1972 to just a few years ago. Only gotten worse under Trump. And the 10%, even the 1%, aren't gonna give any of it back.

The time has come for us to say sayonara.

jg moebus's avatar

Again, yet, and still, Bill, The Question is: “What can the American Peoples do to DEMAND that Their Government end this unnecessary, illegal, unconstitutional, dangerous, and immoral War NOW? And Make that actually happen?"

Anything?

All that this is is a continuation of “The Forever War,” inaugurated on 9/11; the Next Phase, if You will.

And the American Peoples have accepted and lived with that for 25 years this coming September 11, with barely a question asked. Let alone any attempt to end it.

Bill Astore's avatar

What can we do? Many things. Will it change U.S. foreign policy? Unlikely at this moment. The Congress *must* act. But if Congress is bought off by AIPAC, the MIC, etc., we won't succeed. Because Congress "acts" for its owners and donors.

Somehow, we need to get big money out of politics. Money shouldn't be speech. Congress and the President shouldn't be for sale to the highest bidder. Corruption shouldn't be legal.

jg moebus's avatar

And so the Question becomes: How do we get big money out of politics? How do we end big money in politics, an Executive and Legislative [and Judicial] branch up for sale, and corruption being legal?

When the opportunity presents itself, Bill, please take a look at The Nation article i recently posted. i would like very much to hear Your reaction and response to it. Thank You.

TomR's avatar

Jeff, an old poem/song from 1971 echoes in my memory: The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - by Gil Scott-Heron.

The Epstein billionaires (mostly Zionist, but all dedicated to their own absolute power) own the governments.. But they also own the mass media, so they control the narrative most people hear.

Any organized effort to bring about change will first be stomped on by the levers of power (e.g., DHS, FBI, IRS, DOJ). If that doesn't stop it, then it's almost guaranteed it won't be fairly reported in the MSM. Unless, the movement is so big and everywhere that it can't be ignored. Then I fear even more what the owners will do to crush it .

And I guess that gets to your question. When people are willing to face whatever the government and its thugs use against them. I just don't see that happening in large numbers - until maybe too late to do anything about it.

jg moebus's avatar

There was a time until very recently, TomR, when i would have categorized Your comment as that of a "Pessimist."

Now ~ given the reality of what is unfolding in America today ~ i have no choice but to call You a "Realist."

And there was a time until very recently that i was an "Optimist" that the American Peoples could and would prevent America from becoming a fully functional and operational, totally totalitarian Dictatorship in the very near future.

And with each passing day, i am becoming more and more of a "Realist" myself about what Americans can ~ let alone will even attempt to ~ do.

How did Benjamin Franklin put it in 1787 at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention? "We have given You a Republic, if you can keep it."

It was a flawed Republic, too be sure. But at the time, it was the only Republic on the Planet.

One can only imaging what Mr Franklin's description of America today would be, eh?

TomR's avatar

Yep - same with founders such as John Adams, Madison and Jefferson.

Aunty Jean's avatar

Most Americans are woefully ill informed, and their lack of education is intentional on the part of the ruling elite. I don't believe many Americans are aware of the contents of the Powell Memo of 1971 (https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/the-lewis-powell-memo-corporate-blueprint-to-dominate-democracy/) or the Trilateral Commission paper on The Crisis of Democracy (the crisis being that the people need to be controlled in a democracy; https://ia801308.us.archive.org/23/items/TheCrisisOfDemocracy-TrilateralCommission-1975/crisis_of_democracy_text.pdf). We are a nation raised on propaganda that most Americans cannot see through. Political leaders in the US are keeping the corporatists and oligarchs in control, while ignoring the will of the people.

Ray Joseph Cormier's avatar

Bill, you looked and sounded good talking with the Judge Today.

This is my reply speaking Truth to Power on X Today, from the Pope, Trump, Rubio, Hegseth, Pompeo, Bolton, Franklin Graham, Pastor John Hagee and many others.

This Iran WAR would not be happening if Zionists obeyed God's command in the Torah.

Today's Jewish Israeli Zionist Establishment Regime will not even countenance a 2 State Solution, when the God of the Jews demands a Single State in the Torah and the Prophets.

“And if a stranger sojourn with you in your land, you shall not vex him. But the stranger that dwells with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.” Leviticus 19: 33-34

And it shall come to pass, that you shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be to you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.

And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourns, there shall you give him his inheritance, say the Lord GOD.”

Ezekiel 47: 32-33

NOW HEAR, O HEAVENS, AND GIVE EAR, O EARTH, FOR THE LORD HAS SPOKEN,

Children I have raised and exalted, yet they have rebelled against Me.

An ox knows his owner and a donkey his master's crib; Israel does not know, my people does not consider.

Woe to a sinful nation, a people heavy with iniquity, evildoing seed, corrupt children.

They forsook the Lord; they provoked the Holy One of Israel; they drew backwards.

Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 1:2-4

https://rayjc.com/2011/12/25/day-of-awakening-david-vs-goliath-vs-armageddon/

Bill Astore's avatar

Thanks, Ray!

jg moebus's avatar

My earlier question was asked and answered by The Nation’s Eric Blanc with his 16 Mar 27 article: “Why Is There No Anti-War Movement?”...:

Donald Trump’s war on Iran is very unpopular. As pollster G. Elliot Morris notes, it is the most unpopular a US war has ever been when it started. And “with just 38 percent of Americans in favor, support for bombing Iran is lower than retrospective support for the war in Iraq was in 2014.”

WHY THEN HAS THERE BEEN SO LITTLE COLLECTIVE PROTEST AGAINST THE US-ISRAEL OFFENSIVE? ANSWERING THIS QUESTION IS NOT EASY. WHAT FOLLOWS ARE SEVEN HYPOTHESES RATHER THAN DEFINITIVE CONCLUSIONS. But exploring why we’re lacking an anti-war movement today can help us move to actually start building one. And for the sake of Iranians, the Middle East, and working people in the United States, we’d better do so as soon as possible.

The seven hypotheses are:

~ Americans Feel Powerless

~ People Are Hoping the War Ends Quickly

~ Trump Is Doing So Many Horrible Things

~ People Confuse Mobilizing with Organizing

~ No Draft

~ Sectarianism Has Helped Marginalize Anti-War Activity

~ Reviving an Anti-War Movement

Full article at https://www.thenation.com/article/world/iran-war-trump-peace-activism-mobilization/ ; EMPHASIS added.

Bill Astore's avatar

Yes, Jeff. As you'll recall, I also wrote articles on why there's no strong and unified antiwar movement.

jg moebus's avatar

i didn't recall, Bill. But i just went back and read them, and remembered how much i appreciated them at the time.

It appears that things haven't changed much over the years, eh?

Apache's avatar

Hello Bill Astore... Let's bill Israel for the Costs of this War, including VA treatment for the Veterans... Could Israel Exist Without USA $$$?...