I assume we sill soon hear about how dirty and smelly the student protestors are at the various universities; that's a technique that was used against the Occupy Wall Street protestors (2011) before the movement was crushed by the ruling-class tool Obama's Justice Department.
Already, as you noted, the cops are being cheered by many. It brings back memories of the aftermath of Kent State. I was about to graduate from high school when those kids were killed.
But I recall in the months that followed when many adults who were interviewed said 'they deserved what they got'. I suppose that included two who were not involved in the protests: Sandra Lee Scheur was walking to class, as was William Knox Schroeder, a ROTC student. The other two victims who were in the protests were Allison Beth Krause and Jeffrey Glenn Miller. Being murdered for exercising free speech shows how far the owners were willing to go - also demonstrated 11 days later at Jackson State University.
This summer the two ruling-class political parties hold their conventions. It's chilling that the Democrats are holding theirs in Chicago, given the protests and police riot that occurred in 1968. The fascist Richard J Daily may be gone, and they may have a black mayor, but any protests provides an opportunity to clearly crush any protests and for the Biden regime to prove how tough they are.
I grew up in Ohio and was 13 when Rhodes sent in the Guard. I still recall the absolute shock and shame that something like that happened in my own State. It was when I first realized it's not just the Chicagos and LAs of our country where such abhorrent things happen.
Wow--I scrolled through quite a few of the comments (until I thought my breakfast might come back up). The constitution is dead, and anyone that can cheer on this brutality can certainly not judge "authoritarianism" anywhere--present or past.
I just went over to check on the pro-Palestine demo at Northwestern University. I'd say about 500 people are there. Lots of tents. Food and drink for all (I volunteered to carry off some garbage) and lots of enthusiasm. All kinds of faces. I engaged in conversation with some Pakistani-Americans. Signs plaster the fence along the adjoining street and cars are wildly honking in support. Having graduated from high school in 1968 this certainly brings back memories of civic action. So far, no cops around though there has been one tent-clearing only for them to be replaced. It's great that this is spontaneous action across the country by we the people. It puts me in mind of the uproar when Nixon's Cambodian bombing campaign came out. Sustaining the effort is key.
I did not see a single Israeli flag and when you think about it, how could anyone be proud of what Israel has done to the Palestinians, in particular the Gaza slaughter the betrays the fact that Israelis do not see the Palestinians as fellow human beings. As in 1968 the whole world is watching.
Our planet with humans -- they'll be complete annihilation if we don't evolve as a species, and that right quick. Humanity can be at times so disgusting, tragic, and stupid beyond belief. Without us humans the planet can again begin complete restoration back to its purest form...!
Yes.., Nature is marvelous in its resilience. A mysterious Plague, or Cometary Impact which did in the Dinosaurs, nuclear annihilation, our own stupidity as I mentioned. Artificial Intelligence in the future, Biological Warfare could touch off a human extinction event. Then the Planet can shrug us off like so many little fleas, mites & parasites that we've become. The Earth itself is a living organism.
Whether you agree or disagree one should still have the right to protest non-violently. If it turns violent then that is a different story. If the police incite the violence then that is a different story as well. As you can see, there are several variables to the equation. Linking as usual @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
other than having suffered the ignominious injustice of having a behemoth speaker crash down onto my left arm, scarifying it w/ contusions and lacerations, i'm nifty, dennis. given my octogenarian status, the healing process is disappointingly cumbrous. appreciate your sanguinity, in any case.
It would be a lot easier if You would use the Reply option, rather than sending a new message that is not obviously related to a previous comment. Thank You.
appreciate your positivity, peter anderson. there seems not a plethoric plenitude of westerners have been involved w/ hungarian or russian zeitgeists and can commensurately share their cultural and political ambits w/ others. tho' my husband and i have 'retired' to the philippine island of mindoro, we and our now adult bantlings have spent most of our lives abroad. a sorry state of affairs that more americans have not done so, or have perpetually tuned into the western MSM rather than alternative media sites like astore's BV.
We seem to be at a point where fascism has already infected our society thanks in large part to the election of Donald Trump. Trump is the archetype useful idiot of the Billionaire class. Not too bright, totally lacking in morality, and a psychopath to boot. Now we see him being groomed by our nation's enemies - fascist dictators like Putin and Orban. Why should we be surprised to see jack-booted thugs beating the crap out of college students who dare to try to stop their fascist takeover?
Last night David Brooks suggested on the PBS NewsHour that the DNC in Chicago this summer is likely to be a re-run of their 1968 convention. That was an historical low point for America as students and other citizens protested US support for a pointless invasion of Vietnam (like what Russia is doing in Ukraine). Chicago was in retrospect a police-provoked riot. Yet I now read in the news that Chicago is getting their police and guard troops ready in anticipation of suppressing the lawless protesters who are likely to descend on their hallowed convocation to re-nominate the first US president to actively and unquestioningly support genocide.
If that happens, Herr Trump will be ready to declare himself fuhrer in November, as democracy in the US vanishes. At 77, I never thought I would see the day.
Sadly, given Biden's serial strategic blunders, I think there is scant hope of restoring our democracy no matter who wins in November. In my professional opinion as a psychologist with 8 years of WH experience, neither candidate is cognitively, emotionally, and physically fit to lead the country for 4 more years.
Starting early after taking the helm, Biden impulsively ordered everybody to leave Afghanistan having no plan in place for orderly withdrawal. The result was chaos and deadly violence. Afghanistan was soon followed by the persisting border fiasco in which Biden left most of Trump's brutal policies in place. Then for the pièces de résistance, I watched in disbelief as Biden impulsively sent the entire 6th fleet to rescue Israel, ignoring decades of its oppression and abuses, and, regardless of immediate evidence that Israel let Hamas attack (likely for political motives). Then, as Israel's reaction to the attack, things rapidly turned into genocidal vengeance. Regardless, Biden continued to re-arm the Jews. Compounding his blunder, Biden then directed the US Navy to protect Israel from an Iranian drone attack which, like the Hamas attack, Israel also provoked.
Now we see zero action by Biden to stop schools and cities from calling in the police against peaceful college demonstrators which in every case led to police-provoked violence. Unless either or both of them get sidetracked by ill health or something and replaced by somebody with both their cognitive and moral oars in the water. I see little reason for hopefulness.
seismic, dennis. your incisive comments help keep me sane. putin and orban are the leaders their citizenry democratically elected; they were not pushed onto the electoral podium in metaphoric wheelchairs and tied to puppet-strings. they are highly intelligent, responsible, decisive, and productive leaders who are cynosures for those whom they lead, and do so w/ their citizens' interests and futures at the fore of their decision-making.
Do You actually believe, Jeanie, that Stalin's admonition that "It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes" does not apply in Putin's Russia and Orban's Hungary?
Spoken like a Russian troll. My answer to your question is yes. Why are Trump and the GOP MAGAs snuggling up to the leader of little Hungary widely described in the international MSM as a neofascist autocrat. Many of us who spend significant time in Europe (several months annually) and my friends who live there fulltime often express dismay that the EU tolerates Orban. How can you view Putin's recent election as a fair and democratic event in light of the number of his potential challengers winding up dead? LOL How can you characterize Putin as not an enemy of the West in light of the "Cold War" and the brutal invasion of Ukraine?
No, the buck stops with the American voters. Contrary to popular belief, we don't have to vote for Trump or Biden. And contrary to popular belief it IS POSSIBLE for someone else to be elected President. There are over 20 political parties in the US and a fair number of independent candidates. So when you decide to vote for Biden or Trump, you are throwing away all other options and casting a vote for fascism.
What you say is very true. All I am saying is that that has been the collective choice of the voters. It didn't have to be that way and it doesn't have to be that way - we, collectively, have chosen it to be that way, and we chose it to be that way voluntarily. Therefore, it is we who are to blame.
"Why should we be surprised to see jack-booted thugs beating the crap out of college students who dare to try to stop their fascist takeover?"
That sentence could have been written in 1968, Tom. What's happening today is what happened to Vietnam protesters almost 60 years ago. I remember seeing news film of fire hoses turned on crowds, and attack dogs being deployed. Beating down protesters dates back millennia. Horrific as it is, it's not a new practice. As with most of TFG'S wish list, it's "merely" recycled thuggery.
I would hope you're being ironic, but respectfully - fascism in this country began long before Trump lumbered onto the scene. The growth of authoritarianism and fascism (the first a form of government; the second an ideology) openly go back to at least the Clinton administration, with each subsequent administration bringing its own evils.
Trump was an inept clown who should not have been President. But the Democrats allowed it to happen by forcing the deservedly reviled Clinton upon us. While many claims were made as to what Trump would do in a first term, that never happened, and what he will do in a second term - the Biden administration has shown even more manifest evils: multiple wars, silencing dissent, using "lawfare" against its opponents; and violations of at least the first, fourth, and sixth amendments.
A second Trump term, if it were to occur, would just be another step in the descent.
Tomonthebeach, You wrote: “We seem to be at a point where fascism has already infected our society thanks in large part to the election of Donald Trump.”
The greatest threat to America is not Socialism and Marxism [or their spawns-Communism, Progressivism, Democratic Socialism, etc], but creeping and inexorably also openly-growing Fascism. And while none of this started with Trump, it is most definitely continuing to grow under Biden.
All Trump did was continue the work pulled off by Obama, who continued the work of Cheney/Bush II, who continued the work of Clinton, who continued the work of Bush I, Reagan, and Carter all the way back to FDR and his New Deal, and ultimately, to Wilson and his Federal Reserve, Income Tax, and his "War to end all War and make the world safe for Democracy," to say nothing of Wall Street and the nascent American proto-Empire fresh from its conquests in Hawai'i, China, the Philippines, and throughout Latin America.
And Biden [like Trump and all the predecessors] could not have done any of all of that without the willing and able abetting and assisting of and from those folks at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, the Congress of the United States; an institution that, over the years, has abdicated almost total power and authority to the White House in critical, core areas of Constitutional authority and responsibility. Again, for quite some time now. That is how Fascism has happened ~ and is happening now more than ever ~ in America's history.
From SOME OF THE DUMBEST THINGS EVER SAID BY A BUNCH OF AMERICAN GENERALS AND ADMIRALS
that is precisely what i did, moebus. i tapped onto the comment option immediately after your own comment. there was no other option. perhaps by my checking the 'share-a-note' box, my reply was transported elsewhere in the inventory slew of comments... as i have mobilized this comment to appear in that slew as well.
The biggest challenge Trump would have if he actually attempted to end the Wars in Ukraine and Palestine "in 24 hours" would be to figure out how to keep all that money flowing to America's MICC/S3CP2; even if there's no "Hot War" going on anyplace.
I assume we sill soon hear about how dirty and smelly the student protestors are at the various universities; that's a technique that was used against the Occupy Wall Street protestors (2011) before the movement was crushed by the ruling-class tool Obama's Justice Department.
Already, as you noted, the cops are being cheered by many. It brings back memories of the aftermath of Kent State. I was about to graduate from high school when those kids were killed.
But I recall in the months that followed when many adults who were interviewed said 'they deserved what they got'. I suppose that included two who were not involved in the protests: Sandra Lee Scheur was walking to class, as was William Knox Schroeder, a ROTC student. The other two victims who were in the protests were Allison Beth Krause and Jeffrey Glenn Miller. Being murdered for exercising free speech shows how far the owners were willing to go - also demonstrated 11 days later at Jackson State University.
This summer the two ruling-class political parties hold their conventions. It's chilling that the Democrats are holding theirs in Chicago, given the protests and police riot that occurred in 1968. The fascist Richard J Daily may be gone, and they may have a black mayor, but any protests provides an opportunity to clearly crush any protests and for the Biden regime to prove how tough they are.
I think we are all Palestinians now.
I grew up in Ohio and was 13 when Rhodes sent in the Guard. I still recall the absolute shock and shame that something like that happened in my own State. It was when I first realized it's not just the Chicagos and LAs of our country where such abhorrent things happen.
Wow--I scrolled through quite a few of the comments (until I thought my breakfast might come back up). The constitution is dead, and anyone that can cheer on this brutality can certainly not judge "authoritarianism" anywhere--present or past.
I just went over to check on the pro-Palestine demo at Northwestern University. I'd say about 500 people are there. Lots of tents. Food and drink for all (I volunteered to carry off some garbage) and lots of enthusiasm. All kinds of faces. I engaged in conversation with some Pakistani-Americans. Signs plaster the fence along the adjoining street and cars are wildly honking in support. Having graduated from high school in 1968 this certainly brings back memories of civic action. So far, no cops around though there has been one tent-clearing only for them to be replaced. It's great that this is spontaneous action across the country by we the people. It puts me in mind of the uproar when Nixon's Cambodian bombing campaign came out. Sustaining the effort is key.
I did not see a single Israeli flag and when you think about it, how could anyone be proud of what Israel has done to the Palestinians, in particular the Gaza slaughter the betrays the fact that Israelis do not see the Palestinians as fellow human beings. As in 1968 the whole world is watching.
Thank You. Clif, for an on-the-scene report.
This Summer with the GOP gathering in Milwaukee in July and the Dems in Chicago in August should be very, Very interesting, eh?
i wonder how many people are going to be killed or maimed.
Our planet with humans -- they'll be complete annihilation if we don't evolve as a species, and that right quick. Humanity can be at times so disgusting, tragic, and stupid beyond belief. Without us humans the planet can again begin complete restoration back to its purest form...!
Yes.., Nature is marvelous in its resilience. A mysterious Plague, or Cometary Impact which did in the Dinosaurs, nuclear annihilation, our own stupidity as I mentioned. Artificial Intelligence in the future, Biological Warfare could touch off a human extinction event. Then the Planet can shrug us off like so many little fleas, mites & parasites that we've become. The Earth itself is a living organism.
Whether you agree or disagree one should still have the right to protest non-violently. If it turns violent then that is a different story. If the police incite the violence then that is a different story as well. As you can see, there are several variables to the equation. Linking as usual @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
"Few people are heroes and fewer still deserve “hero” status while wearing uniforms and shooting bullets, rubber or otherwise, at citizens"
I have been saying this for years about our "highway of hero's". Hired killers??
other than having suffered the ignominious injustice of having a behemoth speaker crash down onto my left arm, scarifying it w/ contusions and lacerations, i'm nifty, dennis. given my octogenarian status, the healing process is disappointingly cumbrous. appreciate your sanguinity, in any case.
Regarding the NU encampment I mentioned. I took a short video showing a 360 degree view of it and uploaded it to YouTube. Here is the link...
https://youtu.be/_Ly_K1maeTo
Remember "back the badge"? This is the result.
no, moebus, you are the one who introduced the hungarian political leader orban. commensurately, i am addressing your imputations against orban.
To what comment of mine are You replying, Jeanie?
It would be a lot easier if You would use the Reply option, rather than sending a new message that is not obviously related to a previous comment. Thank You.
appreciate your positivity, peter anderson. there seems not a plethoric plenitude of westerners have been involved w/ hungarian or russian zeitgeists and can commensurately share their cultural and political ambits w/ others. tho' my husband and i have 'retired' to the philippine island of mindoro, we and our now adult bantlings have spent most of our lives abroad. a sorry state of affairs that more americans have not done so, or have perpetually tuned into the western MSM rather than alternative media sites like astore's BV.
Obey my command citizen - obey my command citizen .
We seem to be at a point where fascism has already infected our society thanks in large part to the election of Donald Trump. Trump is the archetype useful idiot of the Billionaire class. Not too bright, totally lacking in morality, and a psychopath to boot. Now we see him being groomed by our nation's enemies - fascist dictators like Putin and Orban. Why should we be surprised to see jack-booted thugs beating the crap out of college students who dare to try to stop their fascist takeover?
Last night David Brooks suggested on the PBS NewsHour that the DNC in Chicago this summer is likely to be a re-run of their 1968 convention. That was an historical low point for America as students and other citizens protested US support for a pointless invasion of Vietnam (like what Russia is doing in Ukraine). Chicago was in retrospect a police-provoked riot. Yet I now read in the news that Chicago is getting their police and guard troops ready in anticipation of suppressing the lawless protesters who are likely to descend on their hallowed convocation to re-nominate the first US president to actively and unquestioningly support genocide.
If that happens, Herr Trump will be ready to declare himself fuhrer in November, as democracy in the US vanishes. At 77, I never thought I would see the day.
The prospect of Trump again as president is grim.
But it's Biden who's president at this moment, and so the buck must stop with him.
Sadly, given Biden's serial strategic blunders, I think there is scant hope of restoring our democracy no matter who wins in November. In my professional opinion as a psychologist with 8 years of WH experience, neither candidate is cognitively, emotionally, and physically fit to lead the country for 4 more years.
Starting early after taking the helm, Biden impulsively ordered everybody to leave Afghanistan having no plan in place for orderly withdrawal. The result was chaos and deadly violence. Afghanistan was soon followed by the persisting border fiasco in which Biden left most of Trump's brutal policies in place. Then for the pièces de résistance, I watched in disbelief as Biden impulsively sent the entire 6th fleet to rescue Israel, ignoring decades of its oppression and abuses, and, regardless of immediate evidence that Israel let Hamas attack (likely for political motives). Then, as Israel's reaction to the attack, things rapidly turned into genocidal vengeance. Regardless, Biden continued to re-arm the Jews. Compounding his blunder, Biden then directed the US Navy to protect Israel from an Iranian drone attack which, like the Hamas attack, Israel also provoked.
Now we see zero action by Biden to stop schools and cities from calling in the police against peaceful college demonstrators which in every case led to police-provoked violence. Unless either or both of them get sidetracked by ill health or something and replaced by somebody with both their cognitive and moral oars in the water. I see little reason for hopefulness.
seismic, dennis. your incisive comments help keep me sane. putin and orban are the leaders their citizenry democratically elected; they were not pushed onto the electoral podium in metaphoric wheelchairs and tied to puppet-strings. they are highly intelligent, responsible, decisive, and productive leaders who are cynosures for those whom they lead, and do so w/ their citizens' interests and futures at the fore of their decision-making.
Do You actually believe, Jeanie, that Stalin's admonition that "It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes" does not apply in Putin's Russia and Orban's Hungary?
If so, since when? Recently?
Spoken like a Russian troll. My answer to your question is yes. Why are Trump and the GOP MAGAs snuggling up to the leader of little Hungary widely described in the international MSM as a neofascist autocrat. Many of us who spend significant time in Europe (several months annually) and my friends who live there fulltime often express dismay that the EU tolerates Orban. How can you view Putin's recent election as a fair and democratic event in light of the number of his potential challengers winding up dead? LOL How can you characterize Putin as not an enemy of the West in light of the "Cold War" and the brutal invasion of Ukraine?
You're fond of quoting Stalin's "It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the vote" as it applies to "Murika," Mt Merwood.
Do You think there is even the remotest possibility that Stalin's Truth applies to Putin's Russia?
[Pause]
i didn't think so.
No, the buck stops with the American voters. Contrary to popular belief, we don't have to vote for Trump or Biden. And contrary to popular belief it IS POSSIBLE for someone else to be elected President. There are over 20 political parties in the US and a fair number of independent candidates. So when you decide to vote for Biden or Trump, you are throwing away all other options and casting a vote for fascism.
What you say is very true. All I am saying is that that has been the collective choice of the voters. It didn't have to be that way and it doesn't have to be that way - we, collectively, have chosen it to be that way, and we chose it to be that way voluntarily. Therefore, it is we who are to blame.
"Why should we be surprised to see jack-booted thugs beating the crap out of college students who dare to try to stop their fascist takeover?"
That sentence could have been written in 1968, Tom. What's happening today is what happened to Vietnam protesters almost 60 years ago. I remember seeing news film of fire hoses turned on crowds, and attack dogs being deployed. Beating down protesters dates back millennia. Horrific as it is, it's not a new practice. As with most of TFG'S wish list, it's "merely" recycled thuggery.
I would hope you're being ironic, but respectfully - fascism in this country began long before Trump lumbered onto the scene. The growth of authoritarianism and fascism (the first a form of government; the second an ideology) openly go back to at least the Clinton administration, with each subsequent administration bringing its own evils.
Trump was an inept clown who should not have been President. But the Democrats allowed it to happen by forcing the deservedly reviled Clinton upon us. While many claims were made as to what Trump would do in a first term, that never happened, and what he will do in a second term - the Biden administration has shown even more manifest evils: multiple wars, silencing dissent, using "lawfare" against its opponents; and violations of at least the first, fourth, and sixth amendments.
A second Trump term, if it were to occur, would just be another step in the descent.
Tomonthebeach, You wrote: “We seem to be at a point where fascism has already infected our society thanks in large part to the election of Donald Trump.”
The greatest threat to America is not Socialism and Marxism [or their spawns-Communism, Progressivism, Democratic Socialism, etc], but creeping and inexorably also openly-growing Fascism. And while none of this started with Trump, it is most definitely continuing to grow under Biden.
All Trump did was continue the work pulled off by Obama, who continued the work of Cheney/Bush II, who continued the work of Clinton, who continued the work of Bush I, Reagan, and Carter all the way back to FDR and his New Deal, and ultimately, to Wilson and his Federal Reserve, Income Tax, and his "War to end all War and make the world safe for Democracy," to say nothing of Wall Street and the nascent American proto-Empire fresh from its conquests in Hawai'i, China, the Philippines, and throughout Latin America.
And Biden [like Trump and all the predecessors] could not have done any of all of that without the willing and able abetting and assisting of and from those folks at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, the Congress of the United States; an institution that, over the years, has abdicated almost total power and authority to the White House in critical, core areas of Constitutional authority and responsibility. Again, for quite some time now. That is how Fascism has happened ~ and is happening now more than ever ~ in America's history.
From SOME OF THE DUMBEST THINGS EVER SAID BY A BUNCH OF AMERICAN GENERALS AND ADMIRALS
Don't know what will happen at the DNC but your's truly will be there.
Stay Safe. It could get ugly there.
that is precisely what i did, moebus. i tapped onto the comment option immediately after your own comment. there was no other option. perhaps by my checking the 'share-a-note' box, my reply was transported elsewhere in the inventory slew of comments... as i have mobilized this comment to appear in that slew as well.
The biggest challenge Trump would have if he actually attempted to end the Wars in Ukraine and Palestine "in 24 hours" would be to figure out how to keep all that money flowing to America's MICC/S3CP2; even if there's no "Hot War" going on anyplace.
he spent all his time in hungary, but our close friends in egypt, where we lived for 7+years, spent 10 years in russia as egyptian entrepreneurs.