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Jan 9, 2023·edited Jan 9, 2023Liked by Bill Astore

I watched a 1959 movie the other night. "On the beach" starring Gregory Peck and Ava Gardner. It's kind of a romantic-apocalyptic movie. The plot is that there was a nuclear war in the northern hemisphere. Everybody died, either from the exchange or from the background radiation, which could kill you in a few days. Peck is the captain of a U.S. submarine and goes to Australia, which is temporarily safe because the northern and southern hemispheres are somewhat isolated from each other. Gardner is in Australia and Peck and Gardner have a fling for a couple of months before the radiation finally gets them too. Peck had a line from the movie saying that they never really understood how the war happened....... From Wikipedia: Researcher Andrew Bartlett noted: "The American government complained of Kramer's On the Beach (1959) that it inaccurately presented the threat of extinction from nuclear war because there were not then enough weapons to cause extinction." I would guess there are now though. So is that progress?

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Daniel Ellsberg also wrote in The Doomsday Machine the idea that some down here in Southern Victoria might survive searching for molluscs by the sea shore.

That is not too far from where I am and whatever few molluscs are actually left will be promptly dealt with by an overwhelming number of generally uncultured Australians, who likely will turn savage and then turn on each other.

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There are real benefits to dying quickly and General Curtis LeMay pointed to that as he helpfully explained that nuclear weapons were more humane since those who would die would die far quicker. No-one ever talks to this - the benefits of nuclear weapons.

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I had a friend in college who said in the event of a nuclear war he would go out into the open so as to die quickly. He didn't want to preside over any planet of the apes.

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Assuming one was close enough to be incinerated in a flash, which excludes having the awareness to go outside for the essential radiation dose which could have one in a lingering radiation induced death extending over weeks or months.

Much illusion attends these things.

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Jan 9, 2023Liked by Bill Astore

"Where are today’s Shoups among the U.S. military brass? Where are the leaders who are against genocidal nuclear war and who are willing to speak out against it? Where are the leaders who reject a new cold war with China and Russia? Where are the leaders with the courage to advocate for peace whenever possible in place of more and more war?"

Where indeed? I'm not sure that Eisenhower belongs on your, or anyone's list, of leaders principled and courageous enough to resist the pressure to threaten, attack, and bully the world through the medium of global militarism. World leaders are not the statesmen they used to be, and in fact they never were, with perhaps very scant exception. But now there is a lock on being able to choose such people as premiers and "lawmakers" (as they are laughingly called). You can't name one that isn't bought and paid for, and you can hardly name one that isn't embarrassingly stupid (that is to say, utterly lacking in phronesis). The voters in the Western version of "democracy" have no chance—and perhaps, in the end, no will, and certainly no skill—to rid themselves of rule by venial, and evil, morons. So that what they get, whether or not happily or under protest. I would say that the quality of "leadership" is at zero, except for the fact that it continues to decline. Can you imagine that in the UK they swapped out the idiot Boris Johnson for . . . Liz Truss. This is, by the way, not a left-right issue. As Mr. Astore has just recently pointed out there is no "left" in the US. And what to "left" and "right" mean today, anyway? But I digress. There are any number of sane people around who would like not to destroy the world and think that the world could be, and should be, a lovelier and more peaceful place than it is—people who (with great effort and sometimes at great cost) speak out. In general, none of those people are really classifiable as being "left" or "right", even though they are are rhetorically classified (and "smeared") as such. But the voices of those people have no effect on the loci of power or mastery of the world. Our "leaders" are devoid of phronsesis, but they are long on low cunning, vanity, greed, hate, ambition, and aggressiveness, and have, in concert, shaped a system that locks out from any position of leadership any individual that is not of their ilk. Principled, sane "mavericks" are not tolerated. So, Mr. Astore, the kind of people that you are looking for are around, but you'll never find them in the Halls of Power, and I think that there is nothing that we can do about it. Chomsky talks about "movements", but the public is inert; ain't gonna happen, so let's go have a beer.

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I like that word phronesis, an addition to my vocabulary, and you are certainly right about the lack of it. I am reading Churchill's history of WW2, six volumes totaling 3600 pages (I'm on the fifth presently) and what impresses me the most is the phronesis evident in the major personalities - Eisenhower, FDR, Marshall, Hopkins, Churchill and on down a list of others. Sanity and clarity of thought are evident. The level of discourse displayed in the communications between FDR and Churchill and their immediate commanders shows a level of intellect, understanding of history and respect for the other that I cannot see in anyone active in American politics today. More than that, there are no public intellectuals such as Walter Lippman, John Dewey, Reinhold Niebuhr who are regularly producing quality thinking in the media, instead we have the frenzy and farce of Twitter. Instead of that quality of the gentleman that shows respect even in disagreement, we have Trump and so many others loudly denouncing others in childlike competition, and instead of being ignored this brings viewers to MSM.

My dad used to denounce what he called vulgarity, exemplified today by the behavior of Donald Trump, and cautioned me to avoid it always. We are awash in vulgarity now and the water level is always rising. Profanity, an example of vulgarity, is regularly in use on streaming sources of news in the belief, so internalized that it is unconscious, that it is a way of "being real" and avoiding the horror of being called naive and innocent. To not be shocked by anything is prized. Pride is taken in "been there, done that." The solid core of good character has disappeared. Americans have become creatures of the moment.

Is it any wonder the rest of the world considers America to be crazy?

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They're all waiting to get their twenty in so they can start selling access & influence to the defense industry.

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Well folks…. . Nobody will be able to say we weren’t warned by somebody who would know… :

US MILITARY DEEPENS TIES WITH JAPAN AND PHILIPPINES TO PREPARE FOR CHINA THREAT:

Top Marine Corps general James Bierman outlines sweeping reform to adapt force for possible conflict over Taiwan by Kathrin Hille 010823

The US and Japanese armed forces are rapidly integrating their command structure and scaling up combined operations as Washington and its Asian allies prepare for a possible conflict with China such as a war over Taiwan, according to the top Marine Corps general in Japan.

The two militaries have “seen exponential increases . . . just over the last year” in their operations on the territory they would have to defend in case of a war, Lieutenant General James Bierman, commanding general of the Third Marine Expeditionary Force (III MEF) and of Marine Forces Japan, told the Financial Times in an interview.

Bierman said that THE US AND ITS ALLIES IN ASIA WERE EMULATING THE GROUNDWORK THAT HAD ENABLED WESTERN COUNTRIES TO SUPPORT UKRAINE’S RESISTANCE TO RUSSIA IN PREPARING FOR SCENARIOS SUCH AS A CHINESE INVASION OF TAIWAN.

“WHY HAVE WE ACHIEVED THE LEVEL OF SUCCESS WE’VE ACHIEVED IN UKRAINE? A BIG PART OF THAT HAS BEEN BECAUSE AFTER RUSSIAN AGGRESSION IN 2014 AND 2015, WE EARNESTLY GOT AFTER PREPARING FOR FUTURE CONFLICT: TRAINING FOR THE UKRAINIANS, PRE-POSITIONING OF SUPPLIES, IDENTIFICATION OF SITES FROM WHICH WE COULD OPERATE SUPPORT, SUSTAIN OPERATIONS.

“WE CALL THAT SETTING THE THEATRE. AND WE ARE SETTING THE THEATRE IN JAPAN, IN THE PHILIPPINES, IN OTHER LOCATIONS.”

Bierman’s unusually frank comparison between the Ukraine war and a potential conflict with China comes as Beijing has dramatically increased the scale and sophistication of its military manoeuvres near Taiwan in recent years. Japan and the Philippines are also intensifying defence co-operation with the US in the face of mounting Chinese assertiveness.

Japan and the US are set to discuss strengthening their alliance at security talks between the foreign and defence ministers on Wednesday and a summit between US president Joe Biden and Japanese prime minister Fumio Kishida on Friday in Washington. The summit comes as Tokyo embarks on a radical security policy shift that will include increasing defence spending and deploying missiles capable of hitting Chinese territory.

Continued at https://www.ft.com/content/bf5362de-60a6-4181-8c2a-56b50be61383 {EMPHASIS added.]

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Yeah that should work. It worked in 1914. OK, maybe not.

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Good article, found it at Global Research. Will be linking it today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/

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It says it's a malicious site. You don't work for the CIA by any chance?

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It says Global Research is a malicious site? What search engine do you use. I've never gotten that message before but I use Startpage. I'm sure Google probably considers it malicious...

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In response to Your concluding paragraph, Bill, i’m not sure that “the spell of militarism” is why America no longer produces a Butler or a Shoup [or an Eisenhower, at least in part].

i doubt that there have been or are [or ever will be] too many Veterans of America’s post-WW II Wars who, as You put it, “truly knew war, despised it, and wanted above all to put an end to it,” and then stayed in the military long enough to become a significant leader. Most who came to know war and despise it got out of the military for that very reason. And then some of them subsequently became involved in working toward putting an end to it; particularly during and at least for a while after Vietnam.

And there are others ~ like Butler and Shoup ~ who knew war and began to publicly despise and condemn it and work for its end after they retired with full careers.

In any event, i doubt that America is unique in not producing military leaders who came to despise war and publicly worked to end it. After two World Wars, we had exactly two. Did any other nation in the 20th century have even one?

After all, it took two different World Wars to produce Butler and Shoup, who were ~ as far as i can tell ~ the only significant retired military leaders in the entire 20th century to condemn War in general, and their nations’ wars, in particular.

Today is decidedly different in that are a significant number of Veterans with active internet and social media presence [such as Yourself, Bacevich, Sjursen, Ritter, etc] who are against War and the whole National Security/Surveillance State, and its assorted military/civilian-political/economic relationships and its results: Not a single War has been won in 77+ years at a truly obscenely incalculable cost in American and particularly non-American Blood and Treasure..

The bottom line here is that the only Leaders that are available to lead a WAR AGAINST WAR will not be coming out of America’s current crop of active duty military leaders, but from Veterans with an ability to communicate, like the folks listed in the preceding paragraph.

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And the irony is that there cannot be another world war, something no thinking person can deny whether in the military or not, yet the production of weapons and men to either use or command their use continues unabated. We are fully prepared or preparing to do what can't be done. Our nation is invested in preparing for suicide and it is very profitable up to the moment of use.

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You make good points, Jeff.

I'd add that the idea and ideal of the soldier has changed. Ike, Shoup, Butler: they were career military men, but they understood the citizen-soldier ideal and manifested it. (Yes, I know two were Marines, not soldiers, but bear with me.)

Today's ideal of the "warrior" and "warfighter" suppresses the idea of the citizen and service to democracy. Meanwhile, the rewards for embracing the warrior ideal climb ever higher, as these self-styled warriors retire and then move seamlessly into warrior-corporations, i.e. the merchants of death.

Today's military leaders are actively groomed and discouraged from thinking about the larger context and price of incessant warfare and rampant spending on weapons. All they're supposed to do is get promoted, fight wars, punch out, and cash in. And to hell with the country.

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Correct me if iI am wrong, Bill, but the whole concept of the “Citizen-Soldier” was and is [or at least should be] about the responsibility and duty of every Citizen to “come to the aid of their country” ~ as somebody once put it ~ when it is under invasion and attack or threat of invasion and attack from another country or other foreign power.

Under those terms, to be a Citizen-Soldier of a Nation-State is one thing; and to be a Citizen-Soldier of an Empire [or an Empire Wannabe ] is quite another.

And under those terms, and given that the United States itself hasn’t been under any even the remotest Threat of either invasion or attack in the last two centuries plus, there hasn’t been a Citizen-Soldier of the United States as a Nation-State since the end of the War of 1812. [Or, technically, in the Southern States when Lincoln launched his Civil War against the sovereign Nation-State, the Confederate States of America.]

But there have been many, many Citizens-Soldiers of Empire; as noted by Butler when he wrote: “I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force – the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from a second lieutenant to Major-General.

“And during that period I SPENT MOST OF MY TIME BEING A HIGH-CLASS MUSCLE MAN FOR BIG BUSINESS, FOR WALL STREET AND FOR THE BANKERS. IN SHORT, I WAS A RACKETEER FOR CAPITALISM. … Thus I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. … I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. … During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotion. Looking back on it, I feel I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three city districts. We Marines operated on three continents.”

[ https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler ]

And that’s exactly why the ideal of the Citizen-Soldier of America, the Nation-State, is dead. And has been. For a long, long time. If You want to play The Game, You must become a “Warrior/Warfighter” ~ as You put it ~ of the most extensive, expansive, and expensive Empire in History.

The American military does not exist to protect the land and people of the United States from invasion and attack. It exists to project the Power of America to invade, attack, conquer, and control anyplace on the Planet of its choosing. And to serve, as You noted, as a way for a very small number of Americans to make very comfortable livings as facilitators and cogs in the Military Industrial Congressional Complex/National Secrecy Security Surveillance Panopticon State.

And given its performance over the last 77 years since the end of WW II, apparently it’s Mission isn’t to WIN Wars, but simply to HAVE them. And when that one is lost, to get ready for the Next one.

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Oh, you're not wrong, Jeff.

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How would You rate America as far as the current active and growing presence of these Signs and implementation of these Strategies since: first, 9/11; then after the COVID Event; and now since Ukraine? ... :

14 SIGNS OF TOTALITARIANISM and 15 HIGHLY-EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES FOR MASS MANIPULATION by Jon Miltimore 121322 and 011023, respectively

SIGNS OF TOTALITARIANISM [ https://jjmilt.substack.com/p/14-signs-of-totalitarianism ]

~ 1. Dissent is equated to violence

~ 2. Media is controlled

~ 3. The legal system is co-opted by the state

~ 4. Power is exerted to quash dissent

~ 5. State police protect the regime, not the people

~ 6. Rights—financial, legal, and civil—are contingent on compliance

~ 7. Mass conformity of beliefs and behaviors is demanded

~ 8. Power is concentrated in inner ring of elite institutions and people

~ 9. Semi-organized violence is permitted (in some cases)

~ 10. Propaganda targets enemies of the state regime

~ 11. Entire classes singled out for persecution

~ 12. Extra-legal actions are condoned against internal regime opponents

~ 13. Harsh legal enforcement against unfavored classes

~ 14. Private and public levers of power are used to enforce adherence to state dogmas

HIGHLY-EFFECTIVE STRATEGIES FOR MASS MANIPULATION [ https://jjmilt.substack.com/p/15-highly-effective-strategies-for ]

~ 1. Appeal to emotions. Avoid reason.

~ 2. Reduce idea to slogan. Repeat constantly.

~ 3. Recruit true believers.

~ 4. Disrupt & hijack existing belief structures

~ 5. Take power. Use to spread ideology.

~ 6. Criticize & attack enemies of the state

~ 7. Identify one special enemy for extreme vilification

~ 8. Never show the other side of the argument

~ 9. Use intimidation & fear to accelerate ideological adoption

~ 10. Gain control of media & entertainment channels

~ 11. Subvert educational system

~ 12. Use public spectacle for social pressure

~ 13. Create symbols of loyalty

~ 14. Channel discontent into hatred of specific targets

~ 15. Demand submission, not belief

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Thank You, Bill. i had never heard of General Shoup until Your article. Looks like a full nite of reading, researching, and reflecting lay ahead.

And i agree completely with mikjall about Eisenhower being nowhere in the league of Generals Butler and Shoup. And not just because of his direct complicity in America's Vietnam adventure as noted in yesterday's blog comments.

It's unfortunate that Ike didn't write his MIC[C] speech for his initial inaugural address; and then did then exactly what he said needed to be done eight years later when he left office with his warning.

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From an old SAC Security Police Buck Sergeant--Its always darkest before eternal nothingness...

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More and more I'm thinking the central role of elected government is keeping under control the various parts of the bureaucracy. And it's failing. The Covid pandemic taught us that letting the public health sector run rampant results in lockdown and much economic destruction. The war with Russia via Ukraine is an illustration of letting the government foreign policy apparatus (which now includes the Treasury Department) run foreign policy.

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Don't look for Shoups in the military. Their job is to fight, to kill, to destroy; that's what they are trained for, from age 18, women included. Why not try funding, to the tune of 800 billion/year to the State Dept., allied with The United States Institute of Peace, see what they come up with.

Sixty times per day every day of the 50 years after 1945, that bomb which incinerated Hiroshima

and its people was, in effect, recreated and stored in world arsenals, 60 on each of those 18,250

days. Yet another lesson to be learned.

It has become clear that nuclear weapons are only a symptom of a metastasizing malignancy of

the spirit of the world and of adult humankind. Some Japanese have an expression for this

current period of human history; they call it “the era of nuclear madness.” Robert Oppenheimer

warned us, that the real task at hand was the elimination of war itself. "We know this because in

the last war, the two nations which we like to think are the most enlightened and humane in the

world—Great Britain and the United States—used atomic weapons against an enemy which was

essentially defeated, . . . it is not thinkable that in any major conflict, where the very life of a

nation may be at stake, these weapons will not be used, they are much too effective for that.

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ON THE ONE HAND, Ray: The U.S. Institute of Peace home webpage lists as the “Key Takeaways” from Zelensky’s speech to Congress as:

~ 1. President Zelenskyy made an impassioned appeal to Congress for accelerated Western support in his first foreign trip since the war began.

~ 2. His ambition is to reclaim territory and shorten the war to force Putin into a negotiated off-ramp rather than dig in for a grinding stalemate.

~ 3. However, accelerated military support is only one part of the strategy toward reversing Putin’s aggression and reinforcing international rule of law. [ https://www.usip.org/ ]

It then lists “What You Need to Know About Japan’s New National Security Strategy” as:

~ 1. North Korea's missile launches and the modernization and diversification of China’s missile arsenal have made it easier to justify the need to increase Japan’s own deterrence and defense.

~ 2. The focus of the new strategy is very much on deterrence and its importance in maintaining peace and stability in an already very militarized region.

~ 3. While China and North Korea reacted to Japan’s new strategy with displeasure, the United States, partners in the region and in Europe welcome the moves.

And on November 30, it posted the following: “Preparing for Victory in Ukraine: A long-haul strategy to help Ukraine win the war against Russia — and secure the peace” [which was ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED BY THE ATLANTIC COUNCIL].

It begins: “Success. That’s the potential outcome that the United States, Ukraine, allied and partner governments, and private-sector actors must now prepare to confront. Ukraine’s counteroffensives, backed by expanded and accelerated U.S. and allied support, continue to push Russian forces out of Ukrainian territory, although at a reduced rate. These hard-won successes, however, bring with them possible challenges that also must be addressed.” [ https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/11/preparing-victory-ukraine ]

Given that, one wonders exactly what “international rule of law” USIOP has in mind. And exactly what sort of “peace” it is seeking to secure. The one that has reigned since the fall of the USSR and European Communism 31 years ago and the end of Cold War I?

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BUT THEN AGAIN, AND ON THE OTHER HAND: Its online course offerings listed below by its GANDHI-KING GLOBAL ACADEMY is quite impressive and i will definitely check it out.

[ https://www.usip.org/academy/catalog-global-campus-courses ]

Thanks for the tip.

NOTE: According to USIOP, its Budget Request for FY23 is $54,000,000; up from its $45,000,000 in FY22.

INTRODUCTION TO PEACEBUILDING

Introduction to Peacebuilding (micro)

Introduction to Peacebuilding

Preparing for Peacebuilding

Cultural Synergy

Conflict Sensitivity in Peacebuilding

PEACE-PROCESS SUPPORT

Negotiation: Shaping the Conflict Landscape (micro)

Negotiation: Shaping the Conflict Landscape

Mediating Violent Conflict (micro)

Mediating Violent Conflict

Peace Mediation

INCLUSIVE PEACEBUILDING

Gender Inclusivity in Peacebuilding

Gender Inclusivity in Peacebuilding (micro)

Introduction to Religion and Peacebuilding (micro)

Religions, Beliefs, and Human Rights: A “Faith for Rights” Approach

Religious Engagement in Peacebuilding: A Common-Ground Approach

NONVIOLENT ACTION

Nonviolent Action (micro)

Synergizing Nonviolent Action and Peacebuilding

Civil Resistance 1: The Dynamics of Nonviolent Movements

Civil Resistance 2: The Movement and the Message

Civil Resistance 3: Sustaining the Movement

100 Years of Quiet Diplomacy, Nonviolent Resistance and Peacebuilding

HUMAN SECURITY

Good Governance after Conflict (micro)

Good Governance after Conflict: Guiding Principles

Good Governance after Conflict: Building Institutions for Reform

Introduction to Rule of Law Practice

Preventing Election Violence (micro)

Preventing Election Violence

PROGRAMMING TOOLS: ASSESSMENT

Conflict Analysis (micro)

Conflict Analysis

PROGRAMMING TOOLS: DESIGN, MONITORING AND EVALUATION

Design, Monitoring and Evaluation for Programming in Fragile Environments (micro)

Design, Monitoring and Evaluation for Programming in Fragile Environments

Designing Community-Based Dialogue (micro)

Designing Community-Based Dialogue

ARTS AND PEACEBUILDING

Media and Arts for Peace (micro)

Media and Arts for Peace

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AND THEN ON THE OTHER OTHER HAND… : Wouldn’t it be very interesting to get an assessment and evaluation of the United States Institute of Peace from people like Medea Benjamin of CODE PINK, David Swanson of WORLD BEYOND WAR, and the other organizers, supporters, and participants in the February 19, 2023 RAGE AGAINST THE WAR MACHINE ANTI-WAR RALLY in Washington, DC [and Elsewhere]? [ https://rageagainstwar.com/#Home ]

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the shoups.and butler would have refused the experimental jabs as well.

the role of the vax mandate was to purge the critical thinkers who would ask ‘what makes the usa so great it should destroy the world if it were losing to the commies?’

and sec def Austin actually said the old nato trash air defenses gifted to Kiev were shooting down 100%!

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