You are right to a degree. History shows peoples little short of joyous at the prospect of war because "now we will solve the problem once and for all" and in the short term it can appear that for one side the statement is true.
Certainly Israel is a good example of might making right. It happened first back in 1948 when the Arabs were hardly worth considering as the plucky Zionists showed that Jews could really fight! The Western world was supportive, though Britain had, just before it bowed out of the region, issued the famous 1939 White Paper that proposed a division into two states and a stop to further Jewish immigration. The proposal was still favorable to the Zionists, but it at least acknowledged the plight and rights of the Palestinian Arabs.
Ben Gurion vowed to fight the White Paper once WW2 was over and he did so. The movie "Exodus", propaganda for Israel that it is, showed the emotional bias created when Britain attempted to prevent a shipload of holocaust survivors from landing in Palestine. The movie was a blockbuster and definitely made emotional hostages in America for Israel.
Right up to now, might has made right in what was Palestine. Though the US State Department under George Marshall was opposed to recognition of Israel to the point of telling Truman that he (Marshall) would not vote for Truman if Truman bowed to political pressure to recognize the Jewish State, setting the stage for the endless strife that has followed as Marshall predicted it would. For the details, see the book "Against Our Better Judgement"
Though might makes right on the micro scale of history, there is no example of an empire surviving, all have collapsed and America's will be no exception, though we don't know how it will happen or when. All I can say is that our mighty nation in the last century adamantly opposed colonialism, expressed the desire for the freedom of all people around the world and worked diplomatically within the UN to make that happen.
Now, we don't even consider the UN or international law, siding with the colonizer that we have shielded from international law for decades and committing our nation to defend it against all comers. We will be the sword by which Netanyahu says Israel must live holding the fort against almost the entire world. We do nothing to intervene as the natives are slaughtered, nothing new in that as we stood by in previous Israeli slaughters of Gazans by air attacks on a regular basis starting in 2009.
History remembers. What is happening now will proclaim to all in the future how America turned about in what it stood for, repudiating in action the principles that made it so impressive to all the world, acting without hesitation to destroy its reputation for a colony even as the Speaker of the House aped the words of Israeli PM Netanyahu that Israel (and the US) are on the side of light against darkness.
I ask readers to recall the movie "Spartacus". Toward the end of the show, Rome has crushed the rebels and is demanding Spartacus be turned over to them. As Kirk Douglas is about to rise and identify himself, others around him jump up and say "I am Spartacus!"
Right now, Israel claims it will stop the slaughter when HAMAS is eliminated. I predict that as time goes on, groups inside and outside of what was Palestine will proclaim "We are HAMAS!"
"All I can say is that our mighty nation in the last century adamantly opposed colonialism, expressed the desire for the freedom of all people around the world and worked diplomatically within the UN to make that happen." Really? In my lifetime I cannot name one instance my country worked diplomatically to secure freedom for a sovereign country anywhere, beginning with the 1953 CIA ouster of Mossadegh in Iran to the 2014 coup we choreographed in Ukraine.
Point taken, so let me say "before the middle of the last century" which would include Wilson's vain but worthy attempt with his 14 points to deal with the world after WW1. I think the turning point was the creation of the NSC and the CIA which led us down a dark path as we fashioned ourselves saving the world from communism. I have to sigh as I see attempts right now to take from the IRS and the EPA in order to send money out of the country. I would like to see an end to the CIA with its truly awful record of dirty deeds. Scale it back to the collection of information and get it out of black ops.
I'm with you re CIA, but USA settler colonialism accounted for its genocidal westward push throughout the 19th century, well into the 20th. There were almost too many Manifest Destiny victims to count.
Yes, and remember that in 1948 the first priority of the Haganah after Palestinian towns were cleared of residents was to level everything making it impossible for the residents to return. Then, after Israel's "war for independence" was over, funds were raised, primarily in the US, to plant trees over the former Palestinian town sites, making the rubble invisible and creating a national park system for Israel. What we are seeing now is the latest episode of land seizure. Ben Gurion said back in the 1940's that Israel should take what it can get when it can get it and bide time until the next opportunity. So it has happened.
Indeed, violence will settle this, but in the way of South Africa not Hiroshima. There is some number of murdered Palestinians that will cause the world to say “enough”. And then, there will emerge a constitutional democracy from the river to the sea. The Ethno-religious state of Israel will be no more, but a better, democratic State will stand in its place that remains a homeland for Jews, and also for Palestinians.
I guess it’s an optimistic view except for the 10s or 100s of thousands dead before it happens. But yes, I don’t think Israeli Apartheid will survive and I don’t think that genocide will be tolerated once it’s clear that’s what it is. It was inevitable that once the conversation changed from a focus on territory (2 states) to one if human rights and Apartheid, Israel will lose. I think Edward Said said that and I think he was right.
Let's face it. The US National Security State apparatus----president, congress, pentagon, CIA, NSA, think tanks, mainstream media, etc.---have sunk to a level of depravity that defies description. The entire apparatus is drenched in the blood of the slaughtered women and children in Gaza. Do 6 million Palestinians have to be slaughtered before we call it Holocaust 2.0?
more than likely, charlie k., even the slaughter of 6 million palestinian CHILDREN will not alter the inexorable unfolding of the US/zionist hegemons' heinous crimes against humanity in gaza and the west bank. their depravities will persist apace, no matter how perfervidly and regnantly we protest across the international spectrum.
The analogy to Heinlein is a good one, There is in the debate a good amount of Orwell thrown in for good measure. Aggression and conquest become defense, war becomes a desire for peace, and slaughter is targeted elimination of an enemy. All we can do is give witness to the truth that murder is murder and it is not a moral code if your concern for humanity is situational and tribal.
when in actuality, BELIEVE AND OBEY, war is sanctioned murder, just as taxes are sanctioned theft, given we have no power to determine how our taxed earnings are spent. taking it a step further, most nations' history books are sanctioned propaganda, spiced up w/ blatant prevarications.
Sometimes violence is the only way but diplomacy should be tried first with nations. 75 years with no solutions attempted. Palestinian civilians were not responsible for the Oct attack but are being held accountable. The fault cannot be laid upon Hamas or the Palestinians completely. What use is the UN? The US response is unjustifiable.
What will be left of Gaza for the inhabitants to return to? "Tent city" per Netanyahu? An entire country is being destroyed along with the inhabitants.
Nuclear weapons may be the final solution for all and all times.
Dennis: Unfortunately as a Chief once told me in confidence if you want to run things your way and have a real "Voice" you have to be the one on the Red Phone, or Hot line. Other than that we're all reduced to Critics essentially, and as Ted Knight (recently passed Legendary Coach) said "When I expire bury me upside down so all my Critics can Kiss my Ass!!!" Also, even as powerful a Consigliere' is having the Dons ear, even above all the Capo Regimes the Don "Godfather" runs the Family...!
Not a believer in collective guilt or shame. Even if I had voted for Biden (which I didn't), government officials typically don't consult with ordinary citizens for policy advice. They do their thing, I do mine. Once every couple of years I get to fill in some boxes on a ballot. yippee. Then I have essentially no voice for another couple of years.
I think there's a critical difference between the situation that teacher in "Starship Troopers" describes and the current reality in Israel and Gaza. In the book, I believe that the people were battling the bugs for their very survival, yes? Whereas the Israelis' collective survival isn't actually threatened, much as they proclaim that it is, and regardless what the Hamas mission statement says. Hamas doesn't have the means to obliterate Israel, and neither would a two-state solution eradicate the Jewish homeland. Meanwhile, the Palestinians are caught in the middle, only wanting land and rights of their own (a simplification of the situation, perhaps, but I think I'm stating the gist of it).
In other words, Israel is attempting to impose a desired political outcome; they're not fighting for their very lives. Therefore, the teacher's admonition of, "fight or be erased," doesn't really apply. And absolutely, violence won't solve anything in this case. There's been violent conflict in the Middle East for millennia, with no resolutions and no end in sight.
I don't think an explicit condemnation of Hamas is necessary, given your subject matter, Bill. For the record, however, from my reading, which included an article containing translated excerpts from Hamas' charter or mission statement, the organization does, in fact, desire to obliterate Israel, even in an updated version. I thought it was an exaggeration until I read the section.
All that said, the October 7th attack---horrific as it was---was an excuse for Netanyahu to go full-on, "our very existence is at stake." Even though that's obviously (imo) not true.
Straight out of the authoritarian playbook. See: GWB and 9/11; RWNJs and Christian Nationalists. It seems as if the rhetoric of wannabe dictators is the same everywhere, and violence is their method. Hmmm....coincidence? I think not!
Yes. Of course, I've condemned Hamas (if anyone cares), but the criticism I get is that I don't condemn Hamas in every article I write about Israel and its attacks on Gaza.
For example, I wrote this back on 10/18:
1. Killing civilians and especially children is wrong.
2. Cutting off water, food, electricity, and fuel to millions of vulnerable people is wrong.
3. Forced mass evacuations of hundreds of thousands of people in preparation for a destructive invasion is wrong.
4. Dropping thousands of bombs and killing thousands of innocents is wrong. So is launching hundreds of unguided rockets and killing scores of innocents.
5. Holding hostages and threatening to slay them is wrong.
Whether Hamas or Israel are doing these things, they are wrong. Putting an end to such wrongs through a ceasefire is right. Certainly, it's less wrong.
******
If I fail to write: "I hate and condemn Hamas" in every article I write, it's obvious I must be pro-Hamas.
Well....I'd say that if you're being criticized for not explicitly hating on Hamas in every post, there are two possibilities: those readers aren't reading your posts in their entirety; or, they don't have sufficient knowledge to understand them. In other words, it's a PEBKAC issue.
I would point out that Heinlein dodged a good bit of this discussion by making his foe the ultimate “other” - not human and from another planet entirely.
PROTESTERS MASS OUTSIDE NETANYAHU'S HOUSE AS ANGER GROWS [Extract] by Emily Rose Reuters 110423
JERUSALEM, Nov 4 (Reuters) - Police held back protesters outside the residence of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday, amid widespread anger at the failures that led to last month's deadly attack by Hamas gunmen on communities around the Gaza Strip.
Waving blue and white Israeli flags and chanting "Jail now!", a crowd in the hundreds pushed through police barriers around Netanyahu's residence in Jerusalem.
The protest, which coincided with a poll showing MORE THAN THREE QUARTERS OF ISRAELIS BELIEVE NETANYAHU SHOULD RESIGN, UNDERLINED THE GROWING PUBLIC FURY AT THEIR POLITICAL AND SECURITY LEADERS.
Netanyahu has so far not accepted personal responsibility for the failures that allowed the surprise assault which saw hundreds of Hamas gunmen storm into southern Israel on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,400 people and taking at least 240 hostage. [NOTE: Sounds like Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, etc, etc etc after 9/11, eh?]
As the initial shock has faded, public anger has grown, with many families of the hostages held in Gaza bitterly critical of the government response and calling for their relatives to be brought home… .
… Even before the war, Netanyahu had been a divisive figure, fighting corruption charges, which he denies, and pushing through a plan to curb the powers of the judiciary that brought hundreds of thousands to the streets to protest.
On Saturday, a poll for Israel's Channel 13 Television found 76% of Israelis thought Netanyahu, now serving a record sixth term as prime minister, should resign and 64% saying the country should hold an election immediately after the war.
When asked who is most at fault for the attack, 44% of Israelis blamed Netanyahu, while 33% blamed the military chief of staff and senior IDF officials and 5% blamed the Defense Minister, according to the poll.
THE ZIONIST PLAN FOR THE MIDDLE EAST: from Oded Yinon's "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties" [aka "A Greater Israel"]
PREFACE The Association of Arab-American University Graduates finds it compelling to inaugurate its new publication series, Special Documents, with Oded Yinon's article which appeared in the February 1982 issue KIVUNIM (Directions), the journal of the Department of Information of the World Zionist Organization. Oded Yinon is an Israeli journalist and was formerly attached to the Foreign Ministry of Israel.
To our knowledge, this document is the most explicit, detailed and unambiguous statement to date of the Zionist strategy in the Middle East. Furthermore, it stands as an accurate representation of the "vision" for the entire Middle East of the presently ruling Zionist regime of Begin, Sharon and Eitan. Its importance, hence, lies not in its historical value but in the nightmare which it presents.
The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must: 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation.
A STRATEGY FOR ISRAEL IN THE NINETEEN EIGHTIES by Oded Yinon
At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad. This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known. That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions. The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs.
tenkyu [tokpisin], danyabat [nepali], shokran [arabic], aukun charan [khmer], agyaminak [ilocano], salamat [tagalog], gracias, and merci, CASSIEKNOWS, for your concinnity and thoughtfulness. am being a pretentious dilettante here, but i felt compelled to include the marginalized in our batty, genocidal world before the US hegemon and its israeli zionist sidekick moved on to decimate the global residue in some of the countries where we have lived and worked, after they're finished destroying the palestinians.
You are right to a degree. History shows peoples little short of joyous at the prospect of war because "now we will solve the problem once and for all" and in the short term it can appear that for one side the statement is true.
Certainly Israel is a good example of might making right. It happened first back in 1948 when the Arabs were hardly worth considering as the plucky Zionists showed that Jews could really fight! The Western world was supportive, though Britain had, just before it bowed out of the region, issued the famous 1939 White Paper that proposed a division into two states and a stop to further Jewish immigration. The proposal was still favorable to the Zionists, but it at least acknowledged the plight and rights of the Palestinian Arabs.
Ben Gurion vowed to fight the White Paper once WW2 was over and he did so. The movie "Exodus", propaganda for Israel that it is, showed the emotional bias created when Britain attempted to prevent a shipload of holocaust survivors from landing in Palestine. The movie was a blockbuster and definitely made emotional hostages in America for Israel.
Right up to now, might has made right in what was Palestine. Though the US State Department under George Marshall was opposed to recognition of Israel to the point of telling Truman that he (Marshall) would not vote for Truman if Truman bowed to political pressure to recognize the Jewish State, setting the stage for the endless strife that has followed as Marshall predicted it would. For the details, see the book "Against Our Better Judgement"
Though might makes right on the micro scale of history, there is no example of an empire surviving, all have collapsed and America's will be no exception, though we don't know how it will happen or when. All I can say is that our mighty nation in the last century adamantly opposed colonialism, expressed the desire for the freedom of all people around the world and worked diplomatically within the UN to make that happen.
Now, we don't even consider the UN or international law, siding with the colonizer that we have shielded from international law for decades and committing our nation to defend it against all comers. We will be the sword by which Netanyahu says Israel must live holding the fort against almost the entire world. We do nothing to intervene as the natives are slaughtered, nothing new in that as we stood by in previous Israeli slaughters of Gazans by air attacks on a regular basis starting in 2009.
History remembers. What is happening now will proclaim to all in the future how America turned about in what it stood for, repudiating in action the principles that made it so impressive to all the world, acting without hesitation to destroy its reputation for a colony even as the Speaker of the House aped the words of Israeli PM Netanyahu that Israel (and the US) are on the side of light against darkness.
I ask readers to recall the movie "Spartacus". Toward the end of the show, Rome has crushed the rebels and is demanding Spartacus be turned over to them. As Kirk Douglas is about to rise and identify himself, others around him jump up and say "I am Spartacus!"
Right now, Israel claims it will stop the slaughter when HAMAS is eliminated. I predict that as time goes on, groups inside and outside of what was Palestine will proclaim "We are HAMAS!"
"All I can say is that our mighty nation in the last century adamantly opposed colonialism, expressed the desire for the freedom of all people around the world and worked diplomatically within the UN to make that happen." Really? In my lifetime I cannot name one instance my country worked diplomatically to secure freedom for a sovereign country anywhere, beginning with the 1953 CIA ouster of Mossadegh in Iran to the 2014 coup we choreographed in Ukraine.
Point taken, so let me say "before the middle of the last century" which would include Wilson's vain but worthy attempt with his 14 points to deal with the world after WW1. I think the turning point was the creation of the NSC and the CIA which led us down a dark path as we fashioned ourselves saving the world from communism. I have to sigh as I see attempts right now to take from the IRS and the EPA in order to send money out of the country. I would like to see an end to the CIA with its truly awful record of dirty deeds. Scale it back to the collection of information and get it out of black ops.
I'm with you re CIA, but USA settler colonialism accounted for its genocidal westward push throughout the 19th century, well into the 20th. There were almost too many Manifest Destiny victims to count.
Yes, and remember that in 1948 the first priority of the Haganah after Palestinian towns were cleared of residents was to level everything making it impossible for the residents to return. Then, after Israel's "war for independence" was over, funds were raised, primarily in the US, to plant trees over the former Palestinian town sites, making the rubble invisible and creating a national park system for Israel. What we are seeing now is the latest episode of land seizure. Ben Gurion said back in the 1940's that Israel should take what it can get when it can get it and bide time until the next opportunity. So it has happened.
Indeed, violence will settle this, but in the way of South Africa not Hiroshima. There is some number of murdered Palestinians that will cause the world to say “enough”. And then, there will emerge a constitutional democracy from the river to the sea. The Ethno-religious state of Israel will be no more, but a better, democratic State will stand in its place that remains a homeland for Jews, and also for Palestinians.
It's refreshing to hear an optimistic view.
I guess it’s an optimistic view except for the 10s or 100s of thousands dead before it happens. But yes, I don’t think Israeli Apartheid will survive and I don’t think that genocide will be tolerated once it’s clear that’s what it is. It was inevitable that once the conversation changed from a focus on territory (2 states) to one if human rights and Apartheid, Israel will lose. I think Edward Said said that and I think he was right.
I hope you are right.
Peace
Let's face it. The US National Security State apparatus----president, congress, pentagon, CIA, NSA, think tanks, mainstream media, etc.---have sunk to a level of depravity that defies description. The entire apparatus is drenched in the blood of the slaughtered women and children in Gaza. Do 6 million Palestinians have to be slaughtered before we call it Holocaust 2.0?
more than likely, charlie k., even the slaughter of 6 million palestinian CHILDREN will not alter the inexorable unfolding of the US/zionist hegemons' heinous crimes against humanity in gaza and the west bank. their depravities will persist apace, no matter how perfervidly and regnantly we protest across the international spectrum.
The analogy to Heinlein is a good one, There is in the debate a good amount of Orwell thrown in for good measure. Aggression and conquest become defense, war becomes a desire for peace, and slaughter is targeted elimination of an enemy. All we can do is give witness to the truth that murder is murder and it is not a moral code if your concern for humanity is situational and tribal.
when in actuality, BELIEVE AND OBEY, war is sanctioned murder, just as taxes are sanctioned theft, given we have no power to determine how our taxed earnings are spent. taking it a step further, most nations' history books are sanctioned propaganda, spiced up w/ blatant prevarications.
Children!
Ask your congress critters how many Palestinians children have been killed by IDF, and how many more with the money they send to Israel!
What value is Israel’s open air concentration camp where they use US largesse to shoot kids like fish in a barrel.
Do not remain silent on this horror!
Sometimes violence is the only way but diplomacy should be tried first with nations. 75 years with no solutions attempted. Palestinian civilians were not responsible for the Oct attack but are being held accountable. The fault cannot be laid upon Hamas or the Palestinians completely. What use is the UN? The US response is unjustifiable.
What will be left of Gaza for the inhabitants to return to? "Tent city" per Netanyahu? An entire country is being destroyed along with the inhabitants.
Nuclear weapons may be the final solution for all and all times.
The sickest thing about this is - Joe Biden could stop this killing tomorrow.
But he refuses to.
All American's should be hanging their heads in shame!
Dennis: Unfortunately as a Chief once told me in confidence if you want to run things your way and have a real "Voice" you have to be the one on the Red Phone, or Hot line. Other than that we're all reduced to Critics essentially, and as Ted Knight (recently passed Legendary Coach) said "When I expire bury me upside down so all my Critics can Kiss my Ass!!!" Also, even as powerful a Consigliere' is having the Dons ear, even above all the Capo Regimes the Don "Godfather" runs the Family...!
Not a believer in collective guilt or shame. Even if I had voted for Biden (which I didn't), government officials typically don't consult with ordinary citizens for policy advice. They do their thing, I do mine. Once every couple of years I get to fill in some boxes on a ballot. yippee. Then I have essentially no voice for another couple of years.
I think there's a critical difference between the situation that teacher in "Starship Troopers" describes and the current reality in Israel and Gaza. In the book, I believe that the people were battling the bugs for their very survival, yes? Whereas the Israelis' collective survival isn't actually threatened, much as they proclaim that it is, and regardless what the Hamas mission statement says. Hamas doesn't have the means to obliterate Israel, and neither would a two-state solution eradicate the Jewish homeland. Meanwhile, the Palestinians are caught in the middle, only wanting land and rights of their own (a simplification of the situation, perhaps, but I think I'm stating the gist of it).
In other words, Israel is attempting to impose a desired political outcome; they're not fighting for their very lives. Therefore, the teacher's admonition of, "fight or be erased," doesn't really apply. And absolutely, violence won't solve anything in this case. There's been violent conflict in the Middle East for millennia, with no resolutions and no end in sight.
Yes, Denise. Though I've been accused of being pro-Hamas because I fail to say Hamas allegedly wants to kill all the Jews in Israel.
I don't think an explicit condemnation of Hamas is necessary, given your subject matter, Bill. For the record, however, from my reading, which included an article containing translated excerpts from Hamas' charter or mission statement, the organization does, in fact, desire to obliterate Israel, even in an updated version. I thought it was an exaggeration until I read the section.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
All that said, the October 7th attack---horrific as it was---was an excuse for Netanyahu to go full-on, "our very existence is at stake." Even though that's obviously (imo) not true.
Straight out of the authoritarian playbook. See: GWB and 9/11; RWNJs and Christian Nationalists. It seems as if the rhetoric of wannabe dictators is the same everywhere, and violence is their method. Hmmm....coincidence? I think not!
Yes. Of course, I've condemned Hamas (if anyone cares), but the criticism I get is that I don't condemn Hamas in every article I write about Israel and its attacks on Gaza.
For example, I wrote this back on 10/18:
1. Killing civilians and especially children is wrong.
2. Cutting off water, food, electricity, and fuel to millions of vulnerable people is wrong.
3. Forced mass evacuations of hundreds of thousands of people in preparation for a destructive invasion is wrong.
4. Dropping thousands of bombs and killing thousands of innocents is wrong. So is launching hundreds of unguided rockets and killing scores of innocents.
5. Holding hostages and threatening to slay them is wrong.
Whether Hamas or Israel are doing these things, they are wrong. Putting an end to such wrongs through a ceasefire is right. Certainly, it's less wrong.
******
If I fail to write: "I hate and condemn Hamas" in every article I write, it's obvious I must be pro-Hamas.
Well....I'd say that if you're being criticized for not explicitly hating on Hamas in every post, there are two possibilities: those readers aren't reading your posts in their entirety; or, they don't have sufficient knowledge to understand them. In other words, it's a PEBKAC issue.
As my cousin David might say, "It's all so bleedin' Biblical, ain't it?"
Violence will settle all things, once we are all dead.
I would point out that Heinlein dodged a good bit of this discussion by making his foe the ultimate “other” - not human and from another planet entirely.
PROTESTERS MASS OUTSIDE NETANYAHU'S HOUSE AS ANGER GROWS [Extract] by Emily Rose Reuters 110423
JERUSALEM, Nov 4 (Reuters) - Police held back protesters outside the residence of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday, amid widespread anger at the failures that led to last month's deadly attack by Hamas gunmen on communities around the Gaza Strip.
Waving blue and white Israeli flags and chanting "Jail now!", a crowd in the hundreds pushed through police barriers around Netanyahu's residence in Jerusalem.
The protest, which coincided with a poll showing MORE THAN THREE QUARTERS OF ISRAELIS BELIEVE NETANYAHU SHOULD RESIGN, UNDERLINED THE GROWING PUBLIC FURY AT THEIR POLITICAL AND SECURITY LEADERS.
Netanyahu has so far not accepted personal responsibility for the failures that allowed the surprise assault which saw hundreds of Hamas gunmen storm into southern Israel on Oct. 7, killing more than 1,400 people and taking at least 240 hostage. [NOTE: Sounds like Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, etc, etc etc after 9/11, eh?]
As the initial shock has faded, public anger has grown, with many families of the hostages held in Gaza bitterly critical of the government response and calling for their relatives to be brought home… .
… Even before the war, Netanyahu had been a divisive figure, fighting corruption charges, which he denies, and pushing through a plan to curb the powers of the judiciary that brought hundreds of thousands to the streets to protest.
On Saturday, a poll for Israel's Channel 13 Television found 76% of Israelis thought Netanyahu, now serving a record sixth term as prime minister, should resign and 64% saying the country should hold an election immediately after the war.
When asked who is most at fault for the attack, 44% of Israelis blamed Netanyahu, while 33% blamed the military chief of staff and senior IDF officials and 5% blamed the Defense Minister, according to the poll.
Full article at https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/protesters-outside-israeli-pm-netanyahus-house-anger-grows-2023-11-04/ [EMPHASIS added. And note that the protests are NOT against the indiscriminate mass slaughter of Palestinians.]
Here are maps showing the proposed, planned, and programmed "Greater Israel":
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/greater-israel-maps.htm
THE ZIONIST PLAN FOR THE MIDDLE EAST: from Oded Yinon's "A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties" [aka "A Greater Israel"]
PREFACE The Association of Arab-American University Graduates finds it compelling to inaugurate its new publication series, Special Documents, with Oded Yinon's article which appeared in the February 1982 issue KIVUNIM (Directions), the journal of the Department of Information of the World Zionist Organization. Oded Yinon is an Israeli journalist and was formerly attached to the Foreign Ministry of Israel.
To our knowledge, this document is the most explicit, detailed and unambiguous statement to date of the Zionist strategy in the Middle East. Furthermore, it stands as an accurate representation of the "vision" for the entire Middle East of the presently ruling Zionist regime of Begin, Sharon and Eitan. Its importance, hence, lies not in its historical value but in the nightmare which it presents.
The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must: 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation.
A STRATEGY FOR ISRAEL IN THE NINETEEN EIGHTIES by Oded Yinon
At the outset of the nineteen eighties the State of Israel is in need of a new perspective as to its place, its aims and national targets, at home and abroad. This need has become even more vital due to a number of central processes which the country, the region and the world are undergoing. We are living today in the early stages of a new epoch in human history which is not at all similar to its predecessor, and its characteristics are totally different from what we have hitherto known. That is why we need an understanding of the central processes which typify this historical epoch on the one hand, and on the other hand we need a world outlook and an operational strategy in accordance with the new conditions. The existence, prosperity and steadfastness of the Jewish state will depend upon its ability to adopt a new framework for its domestic and foreign affairs.
Continued at https://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33220.htm
tenkyu [tokpisin], danyabat [nepali], shokran [arabic], aukun charan [khmer], agyaminak [ilocano], salamat [tagalog], gracias, and merci, CASSIEKNOWS, for your concinnity and thoughtfulness. am being a pretentious dilettante here, but i felt compelled to include the marginalized in our batty, genocidal world before the US hegemon and its israeli zionist sidekick moved on to decimate the global residue in some of the countries where we have lived and worked, after they're finished destroying the palestinians.