I think if the Human Race, and we "All"every inhabitant of planet Earth just abided as the "Dude" "Dudeism" The Big Lebowski.., or lived "simply" (of course living simply isn't always simple.) , and also take care of the Ghettos, Barrio's, Shanty Towns, the Hood-- all the disenfranchised who to most are so invisible unless you worked the…
I think if the Human Race, and we "All"every inhabitant of planet Earth just abided as the "Dude" "Dudeism" The Big Lebowski.., or lived "simply" (of course living simply isn't always simple.) , and also take care of the Ghettos, Barrio's, Shanty Towns, the Hood-- all the disenfranchised who to most are so invisible unless you worked the Cities like I , and others often did and lived in their Neighborhoods as we did in our Firehouses.
By Living the "Golden Rule" no Religion is necessary period exclamation pt! I'm honestly not looking for any more religious debates here...
Ah you got it Ray, and that's just it every "Human" and we are all human! Pope Dalai Lama etc.etc.etc. No one any "holier" than the other since time & the dawn of civilization began... And, until our Star the Sun reaches its final "Red Giant" stage like Betelgeuse is now in Orion and none of this "Bullshit" will ever matter anymore, or when Andromeda Collides with our Milky Way Galaxy yes, we are on a Cosmic collision course! Game Ovah!!! Get the Lights before you leave.
May I politely suggest that compassion includes tolerance for the beliefs of others? That it may not be compassionate to attack and reject the views of others when those views do you no personal harm.
We all have personal beliefs. None of us has a monopoly on truth. I think we should be open to learning from each other, no matter what labels we ascribe to ourselves and to each other (Christian, Muslim, Hindu, agnostic, atheist, Wiccan, humanist, Saganist, etc.).
You're not smarter or better because you're an atheist. I'm not smarter or better because I'm a lapsed Catholic. Wisdom can be attained anywhere and everywhere, whether in church, in nature, or just in virtual conversation.
But "conversation" isn't productive when one person is denouncing the personal beliefs of another. When you do that, you ape those preachers of the Word who denounce all unbelievers as foolish and forsaken.
One of the main sources of all that "too much religious preaching" You're complaining about, Dennis, is Your constantly challenging and criticizing Ray's frequent, what could easily be termed "preaching."
To which he virtually inevitably responds with more what could easily be termed more "preaching."
To which You respond with more than a little anti-religious "preaching" of Your own.
Religious or Anti-Religious: Preaching is still Preaching, isn't it?
i am aware, Ray: that You make many comments that don't mention God or the Bible. But in my comment to Dennis, i was talking about the comments You make that DO mention Him or It. And that's what he responds to.
And one man's "pointing out the Realities" is another man's "preaching," wouldn't You agree?
The Golden Rule, Ray, comes from a LOT more places than just the Bible…:
Golden Rule in Religion and Culture
One of the more interesting characteristics of the Golden rule is that it can be found inside all the main religions, schools of thought, and philosophies everywhere in the world and in all time periods. We want to mention a few in alphabetical order.
BAHA’Ì: “Blessed is who prefers his brother to himself” (Bahà’u’llàh tablets – 19th century).
BUDDHISM: “Whatever is disagreeable to yourself, do not do unto others” (The Buddha, Udana-Varga 5.18 – 6th century BC).
CONFUCIANISM: “Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you” (Confucius, Analects 15.23 – 5th century BC).
CHRISTIANITY: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” (Gospel of Matthew 22, 36-40 – 1st century CE).
JUDAISM: “What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow-man. This is the entire Law, all the rest is commentary” (Talmud, Shabbat 3id – 16th century BC).
GANDHI: “To see the universal and all-pervading Spirit of Truth face to face, one must be able to love the meanest of all creation as oneself” (translated from: Il mio credo, il mio pensiero, Newton Compton, Rome 1992, page 70 – 20th century).
JAINISM: “In happiness and sorrow, in joy and in pain, we should consider every creature as we consider ourselves” (Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara – 6th century BC).
JUDAISM: “Never do to anyone else anything that you would not want someone to do to you” (Tobias 4, 15 – 3rd century BC).
HINDUISM: “This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you” (Mahabharata 5, 1517 – 15th century BC).
ISLAM: “None of you will believe until you love for your brother what you love for yourself” (Hadith 13, The Forty Hadith of Imam Nawawi – 7th century).
NATIVE AMERICANS: “Respect for every form of life is the foundation”(The Big Law of Peace– 16th century).
PLATO: “I can do to others what I’d like them to do to me” (5th century BC).
YORUBA WISE SAYING (WEST AFRICA): “If somebody stings a bird with a sharp stick, should be first try it on himself and realise how badly it hurts”.
SENECA: “Treat your inferiors as you would be treated by your betters” (Letter 47 11 – 1st century).
SHINTOISM: “Be charitable to all beings, love is the representation of God” (approximately 500 CE: Ko-ji-ki Hachiman Kasuga – 8th century BC)
SIKHISM: “I am a stranger to no one, and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all” (Guru Granth Sahib, religious scripture of Sikhism, p. 1299 – 15th century).
VOLTAIRE: “Put yourself in the other person's shoes” (Letters on the English, n.42).
ZOROASTRIANISM: “Do not do to others what is harmful for yourself” (Shayast-na-Shayast 13, 29 – between 18 and 15 century BC).
That is in any Nation's Business that is intimately tied into, and thus influences, manipulates, and in some cases, controls ~ or is totally controlled by ~ that Nation's Government.
I think if the Human Race, and we "All"every inhabitant of planet Earth just abided as the "Dude" "Dudeism" The Big Lebowski.., or lived "simply" (of course living simply isn't always simple.) , and also take care of the Ghettos, Barrio's, Shanty Towns, the Hood-- all the disenfranchised who to most are so invisible unless you worked the Cities like I , and others often did and lived in their Neighborhoods as we did in our Firehouses.
By Living the "Golden Rule" no Religion is necessary period exclamation pt! I'm honestly not looking for any more religious debates here...
Ray: Not a Fan of the Dalai Lama... Used to be, but his strangeness in his Remarks to that young Boy ended it for me...!
Ah you got it Ray, and that's just it every "Human" and we are all human! Pope Dalai Lama etc.etc.etc. No one any "holier" than the other since time & the dawn of civilization began... And, until our Star the Sun reaches its final "Red Giant" stage like Betelgeuse is now in Orion and none of this "Bullshit" will ever matter anymore, or when Andromeda Collides with our Milky Way Galaxy yes, we are on a Cosmic collision course! Game Ovah!!! Get the Lights before you leave.
I thought I was writing about compassion.
May I politely suggest that compassion includes tolerance for the beliefs of others? That it may not be compassionate to attack and reject the views of others when those views do you no personal harm.
We all have personal beliefs. None of us has a monopoly on truth. I think we should be open to learning from each other, no matter what labels we ascribe to ourselves and to each other (Christian, Muslim, Hindu, agnostic, atheist, Wiccan, humanist, Saganist, etc.).
You're not smarter or better because you're an atheist. I'm not smarter or better because I'm a lapsed Catholic. Wisdom can be attained anywhere and everywhere, whether in church, in nature, or just in virtual conversation.
But "conversation" isn't productive when one person is denouncing the personal beliefs of another. When you do that, you ape those preachers of the Word who denounce all unbelievers as foolish and forsaken.
Well said, Bill. Very well said.
One of the main sources of all that "too much religious preaching" You're complaining about, Dennis, is Your constantly challenging and criticizing Ray's frequent, what could easily be termed "preaching."
To which he virtually inevitably responds with more what could easily be termed more "preaching."
To which You respond with more than a little anti-religious "preaching" of Your own.
Religious or Anti-Religious: Preaching is still Preaching, isn't it?
i am aware, Ray: that You make many comments that don't mention God or the Bible. But in my comment to Dennis, i was talking about the comments You make that DO mention Him or It. And that's what he responds to.
And one man's "pointing out the Realities" is another man's "preaching," wouldn't You agree?
The Golden Rule, Ray, comes from a LOT more places than just the Bible…:
Golden Rule in Religion and Culture
One of the more interesting characteristics of the Golden rule is that it can be found inside all the main religions, schools of thought, and philosophies everywhere in the world and in all time periods. We want to mention a few in alphabetical order.
BAHA’Ì: “Blessed is who prefers his brother to himself” (Bahà’u’llàh tablets – 19th century).
BUDDHISM: “Whatever is disagreeable to yourself, do not do unto others” (The Buddha, Udana-Varga 5.18 – 6th century BC).
CONFUCIANISM: “Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you” (Confucius, Analects 15.23 – 5th century BC).
CHRISTIANITY: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” (Gospel of Matthew 22, 36-40 – 1st century CE).
JUDAISM: “What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow-man. This is the entire Law, all the rest is commentary” (Talmud, Shabbat 3id – 16th century BC).
GANDHI: “To see the universal and all-pervading Spirit of Truth face to face, one must be able to love the meanest of all creation as oneself” (translated from: Il mio credo, il mio pensiero, Newton Compton, Rome 1992, page 70 – 20th century).
JAINISM: “In happiness and sorrow, in joy and in pain, we should consider every creature as we consider ourselves” (Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara – 6th century BC).
JUDAISM: “Never do to anyone else anything that you would not want someone to do to you” (Tobias 4, 15 – 3rd century BC).
HINDUISM: “This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you” (Mahabharata 5, 1517 – 15th century BC).
ISLAM: “None of you will believe until you love for your brother what you love for yourself” (Hadith 13, The Forty Hadith of Imam Nawawi – 7th century).
NATIVE AMERICANS: “Respect for every form of life is the foundation”(The Big Law of Peace– 16th century).
PLATO: “I can do to others what I’d like them to do to me” (5th century BC).
YORUBA WISE SAYING (WEST AFRICA): “If somebody stings a bird with a sharp stick, should be first try it on himself and realise how badly it hurts”.
SENECA: “Treat your inferiors as you would be treated by your betters” (Letter 47 11 – 1st century).
SHINTOISM: “Be charitable to all beings, love is the representation of God” (approximately 500 CE: Ko-ji-ki Hachiman Kasuga – 8th century BC)
SIKHISM: “I am a stranger to no one, and no one is a stranger to me. Indeed, I am a friend to all” (Guru Granth Sahib, religious scripture of Sikhism, p. 1299 – 15th century).
VOLTAIRE: “Put yourself in the other person's shoes” (Letters on the English, n.42).
ZOROASTRIANISM: “Do not do to others what is harmful for yourself” (Shayast-na-Shayast 13, 29 – between 18 and 15 century BC).
Source: http://livingpeaceinternational.org/en/the-project/regola-d-oro-2.html .
That's not just in "American Business," Dennis.
That is in any Nation's Business that is intimately tied into, and thus influences, manipulates, and in some cases, controls ~ or is totally controlled by ~ that Nation's Government.